Experience Background
rafc, keep on getting into ltr so never improving game...

Topics Included

• lmr
• wings
• alcohol
• qualification
• handling silent SPAM

Outline Of Report
I go to night club with a wing I met that day.
We walk around and he notices me eye-ing a HB on the dance floor who is with her group of 7 friends.
He tells me to go say hi to her. As I go in, my wing helps unblock the path by distracting one of the girls.
HB responds well to me, and we go for a smoke outside together. Exchange numbers.
Some of HB lines she said:
HB: "Please date me."
Me: "Yes I will. When are you free? Tuesday?"
HB: "Can't do Tuesday."
Me: "Okay, how about Wednesday."
HB also gives me a kiss on cheek.

HB: "Will you text/call me?"
Me: "Ofcourse I will."
HB: "You won't text/call me."

etc.

Later me & wing leaves club to another club across road.
HB text me saying she wants to join me whilst seeing her friends goodbye home.
HB buys me drinks, and we kiss.
We go upstairs to dance floor, we grind, she tease my cock, she makes my hands squeeze her breasts. She would open my flies too in the middle of the dance floor.

During another fag break, she says:
Test Questions 1
HB: "How long have you known your friend (wing)?"
Me: "For a while". (lie)
HB: "How did you guys meet?"
Me: "Through a friend of a friend" (lie)

Test Questions 2
HB: "Why do you like me?"
Me: "Because your chinese and you look really attractive."
HB: "That's not good enough. I like you because of your eyes, magical experience meeting each other."

Test Questions 3
HB: "How many other asian girls do you date?"
Me: "Yeah, I have dated many other girls before. Just coffee dates but nothing really happens afterwards."

Failed Frame Of Mind
Me: "I don't usually do this night clubbing stuff. I don't usually meet girls through night clubs like this.". (truth)
HB: "Lier."
Me: "I usually meet people through language exchanges and social meetups." (truth)

From then on, it went down-hill. HB would ignore me, and dance flirt with my wing.
She would stop and then say "sorry" to me.

Weird Part
We had still been dancing together for a while.
She grabs my face with both her hands, stares at my face with a blank expression.
She repeats this again later.
3rd repeat... and she recognises me and says my name like she just recognised me.

Her Feeling Of Mistake
She sit down and says:
HB: "Am really sorry. Don't text/call me. Just forget about me."
Me: "What? I care about you and I really like you. Ofcourse I will text/call you. Listen, we'll wait til tomorrow when we are sober up and I'll call you and we can have a chat. We can meet up later this week so we can get to know each other better."
HB: "Okay, I feel better now."
Me: "Come on, I'll take you home."

Bus Stop Goodbyes
HB: "Oh... I don't know about this.
(HB is having hard time deciding...)
HB: "Do you want to come back to mine? I can make you noodles!"
Me: "Yeah, sure. That sounds cool."
HB: "But I have to warn you that my place is really messy."

Anyway, she changed her mind again.
HB: "Actually, we only just met and I hardly know you."



After Thoughts & Reflections


I completely forgot about qualification. I didn't qualify her at all. I should have said what I liked about her that has nothing to do with her looks, eg.
Me: "You do X, wow that's great, because I my parents did something similar and in future I like to do too... so being with people who that's something what they want to do, that's the kind of person I like to spend time with"... (etc. etc)

Last Minute Resistance: am not sure whether this was needed, but I didn't reassure her nor prevented her anti-slut-defense. I really need to work on this issue.

Player-Sussing-Out: again, am rubbish at test questions, and I think I answered them defensively.

Alcohol: this is bad. I was totally wasted, and she was drunk too I believe.

Wings: My wing that I met that day, I gotta say a big thanks to him. What a fantastic wing he was. He cleared the path in the group, and he also praised me to HB a bit too. Plus, he would always push me back to her whenever she deviated from me, aswell as stopping other sharks getting my HB. I never realised how helpful a wing can be. I too want to be a good wing in future.

Silent SPAM: the parts when she would ignore me and flirt-dance with strangers just to resentment on me. This has happened to me so many times in the past. I don't know how to sort this out. I just stand there.... looking confused don't know what to do.

• Attractions definitely there, lots of it.
• Qualification: I need to sort this out!
• Comfort: I think this part is okay since I did FAP, and commonalities, etc.

Help
This is my first ever field report so I would love lots of helpful critism and feedback. Even if it's calling me a AFC or stupid or whatever, but at least give me advice/suggestions and analysis too.
Thanks




Funny Quotes
One of HB female friends says to me:
"You're the worst wing ever!" (with a smile)

Your field report is good and well organized. I'm not sure how you met this woman though. Setup would be helpful. What openers were used. How did you escalate? It kind of reads like she was gaming you.
I don't know if you were joking but the "your Chinese and attractive part wasn't that great of a response. Seems like at nopoint did you take control of the situation. After the breast touching, you could have taken control (not in a rapey way) and escalated the situation. This would have been accomplished by either verbally or nonverbally letting her know what you wanted . Don't get so caught up with game technicalities. They are only there to assist you with opportunity. You had opportunity. So it's just about knowing what you wanted and letting her participate if she wanted.

LMAO...that was my favorite response. He complimented her at the same time she can't be sure it's a serious response. But I agree with everything else you said.

IMO, there was also need to lie about how long you knew your wing and how you knew him. And the part about only having coffee dates and nothing much happening. Don't give her time to think about why other women may have disqualified you.

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Obviously this girl has issues. To me this kind of girls it's 0 or 100.

0 means I wont get sex that same night
100 means I will get sex that same night

Therefore, no rapport, comfort needed. Only escalation, isolation and d1ck in p0ssy

you are right. if it was done the right way, then it is a good response. we just don't know how it was done. i can't tell if this woman was just in the right mood at the right time and was gaming him or if he was gaming her and just failed to close.

PS go ahead and delete This Thread because it seems like a repeat of this report.

So here's how and why things didn't work....but you did some cool things how to properly engage...

1.) when she dances with other guys and girls turn away ignore her..go talk to a guy or dance with a pretty girl or go to the restroom. Disappearing or talking to someone else is the way to go always ..ignore her she is shit testing you.

2.) why when you had her going to house you told her its messy? thats d.l.v dude(Display of lower value)..who wants to go to a dirty house? Plus reminding her shes going to a house is dumb...talk about boxes of cereal flavors or something you did last summer anything other then going to your house..get her mind off the destination quickly...

3.) don't talk about why girls don't like you talk about how your overly liked and abused..I always talk about how random girls grab my ass and how i hate when girls I don't know touch me. Magically she will start touching you.

4.) When a girl ask why you like her.she is gauging how into her you are..I liked your response..but then you gave in when you saw ...she didn't like it...shes a flirt... When she starts touching you..say wow your real touchy feeling can you at least taking me shopping first or out to dinner..hahaah. or hands off the merchandise ..or since shes asian you could say "You touch you buy in a asian market guy voice"...Never give in to the touching shes reeling you in then shes going to cast you out...

You were close to pussy pounding though...

Thanks dude.

It was her who invited me back to her place..

End Report - Lay

Topics Included

• continuation of girl
• handling lmrs
• routines
• logistics
• planning
• dating
• teasing

Background Information

• We been texting everyday, small bits of text. But mostly HB on some nights HB want to give me a phone call 30min before she goes to bed.
• HB lives in the EAST. I live in the SOUTH (requires underground & then overground train).

Advanced Background
Pandora's Box Personality Type: Cinderella
http://3questionsgetthegirl.com/quiz/re ... f0431a7104
iNvestor-Justifier-Idealist
PS: My guestimation and seems to be quite accurate



Outline Of Report
Quick Timeline Overview

• 2014-Feb-22-Sat Initial first meet, (#&kclose, almost fclose)
• 2014-Feb-26-Wed Second meet, (invite to my friends leaving dinner)
• 2014-Mar-01-Sat Third meet (her friends bday @ bar)
• 2014-Mar-07-Fri Fourth meet (my plan, lay)

2014-Feb-22-Sat Initial first meet, (#&kclose, almost fclose)
See initial first post for more details.

2014-Feb-26-Wed Second meet, (invite to my friends leaving dinner)
I wouldn't normally invite the girl I just met to a social/friends thing. The reason was on first meet when she asked me to "take her out on a date", I seeded Wednesday I'll take her out thinking my schedule was free. However I forgot I am organising a leaving dinner for a friend on same Wednesday night.

First we met for 1 hour 1on1 in cafe. Found her sitting alone. I was very timid and could only sit opposite her in the small table. I was very shy (as my innate personality is like). Just fluff chat & coffee/tea. Then we went for walk towards the leaving dinner venue to meet up with rest of my friends.

Leaving dinner was in a "rockaoke bar/restaurant". I sang Greenday - Basketcase on stage with a live professional rock band in public. HB seemed happy/excited for me. From then on, I felt more relaxed & comfortable taking her hands to hold, and kissing her, etc. without fear or her rejecting me, etc.


2014-Mar-01-Sat Third meet (her friends bday @ bar)
I had 2 birthday parties to go to, so didn't plan to see HB this weekend. She mention her mum visiting her this weekend.

However, we decided I go see her after my 2nd birthday party dinner. HB seemed happy/excited to see me, then I let her go coz she needed to wake up early coz her mum was arriving for visit.

(she told me she told her mum about me)

2014-Mar-07-Fri Fourth meet (my plan, lay)
Original Plan

• Fri: several bars (venue-changing), build up qualification & comfort more, seed her loads of new places/venues/activities (future projections) & plant seed that she visit my area/place on Sat. Routines planned to do: 5 lies game, thumb war, las vegas marriage role play, hot hands, esp guess #, strawberry fields, truth game, cold reads, power-swap, youtube fractionation, flip-the-script, handshakes, cube etc)
• Sat: take her on a series of venues (small fave museum, walk in park with pond, bars, play pool, darts, arcade games, nice riverside walks/views at night, etc) then hop on train back to my area....

What Really Happened!
Because she told me last minute that her friends had bought tickets for a martial arts fight show outside the city, she had to go on Sat evening. I decided to go for the lay ASAP.
Fri:
9am in the morning I sent her the "dirtiest dream" text message - this is just basically had a dirty dream about her last night.
7pm we meet and take her to high-rise bar for 1 drink. Chatted and talked about romance, past relationships but on a postive-generic-side (avoiding details of the actual people involved). She also asked me to explain about the "dirty dream" message. I describe the story (forrest, raining, mud wrestle, pin her against tree, etc. etc) She seemed interested and excited to hear it.
7:45pm tried to take to her into a heavy-metal-goth bar (which is very friendly), but just showed her outside it. Went and took her to small quiet restaurant. Talk more about romance/comfort/etc.
After dinner wanted to take her to dessert place across road but Cinderella not really into that kind of stuff. I thought about venue-bouncing to bars/arcades/pool but it would be wasting time and needed some way to get her back to mine.
9pm Just took her to a fave tourist spot momument where people love to climb on and has a elevated viewpoint. She didn't want to climb it coz of her skirt. Instead she asked me to take her to the riverside. We walked along nice night time riverside with pretty lights. Throughout night I been doing bits of teasing (princess stereotypes, etc)
We walked across bridge, and as we walked past Namco arcades, she wanted to pop in. She wanted to play Time Crisis! (interesting, didn't realise she was into guy stuff).

LMR 1: Making her decide to come back to mine
10pm, we are near my train station, so she wanted to see me off.

• HB: "you need to catch your train..."
• Me: "yeah, OUR train on platform 2, or 4. Quick! we need to catch our train"
• HB: "we? no, you"
• Me: "quick, we're gonna miss OUR train", as am holding her hands
• HB: "why am I going to yours? why am I not going back home?", with a small smile
• Me: "because you're homeless. and you need looking after", playfully said

After a few seconds of her pausing, pondering/thinking, she repeated asked again, I said the same answers.
After a few seconds she agreed & said okay.

We hopped on the train, sat down.

LMR 2: On the transport home (getting on the train)

• HB: "omg, am being kidnapped by a stranger." (playfully)
• Me: "what? we've know each other for 2 weeks now"
• HB: "am texting my friend to let her know if she doesn't hear from me then I've been kidnapped" (playfully)

LMR 3: The awkward walk to sex location
After arriving & getting out of train station, and as we walk towards my flat, I did the "5 lies game" game on her:
Me: "let's play a game, I want to see if you're a good liar. I'll ask you 5 questions and all you need to do is answer with a lie. if I ask you what color is the sky and you say pink, then you win. cool?"

... successfully managed to pull it off (if you don't know this game, search for it, it works quite well for long walks to avoid awkward silences towards sex venue)

LMR 4: Youtube Fractionation, & movie/film distraction & sexualisation
As soon as we got home, I don't touch her to create sexual tension (and hopefully to avoid assault/rape just incase).
Took her to living room, she sits on couch. I "fractionate" by asking her to show me youtube videos of her home country and interests. Trying to do 10 minutes of relaxing her (& me). This helps take her mind off what's to come.

I try to put on a cheesy movie "Transporter 2" using my year 2000 laptop, which was so slow. (this is usually my tactic to start playing truth game).

Me: "let's play a game. it's called the truth game but there are rules. rule 1: you have to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. rule 2: you have to ask interesting questions about each other. rule 3: you can't ask the same question that's already been asked. rule 4: we take turns, eg. I ask a question, then you, back & forth. rule 5: I start first"

...this helps to get HB horny (again, if you don't know this game, search for it - basically starts off normally but later gets to sexual questions). we play the truth game while we sit together on couch looking at Transporter 2 (but not properly watching it). she's already compliant, her head on my shoulders, etc.


Later she asks:

• HB: "can we lie down in your bed upstairs"
• Me: "yeah sure"

I thought, wow, I haven't even got to the sexual questions of the game yet...


LMR 5: mood music & her almost figuring out my game
We lie down in bed together, and I quickly put on some Britney Spears music to set the mood.
We continue the truth game. Some of my questions:

• Me: "when was your first kiss?"
• Me: "when was your first sex?"

Some of her questions:
Her: "how many girlfriends have you had?"
I answered truthfully (with my definition of GF being LTR of more than 3 months)

• Her: "if you could, regardless of long distance, difference in countries, would you want to marry your last jap GF?"
• Me: (truthfully) "sadly, no"
• Her: "oh, okay... your turn"

Her: "are you looking for a relationship, or do you just want sex?"
(this threw me off) I answered "relationship"

My questions start getting into sexual questions questions:

• Me: "favourate place to be touched?"
• Me: "favourate sexual position?"
• Me: "you're loud in bed, aren't you?"

I realised I fired sexual question one after another which was wrong because she asked me with serious tone:

• HB: "are you trying to have sex with me?"
• Me: (I looked her in the eye and said) "yes"
• HB: (she looked down and said) "oh, okay.... your turn"

While, we just laid there, I did the fake "heart palpitations", which basically power-swaps so HB thinks she got the power:
Me: "I've got heart palpitations, feel my heart, am nervous".

Afterwards it was plain-home-sailing. Foreplay, and the final lay.

2014-Mar-08-Sat
(morning usual bedroom stuff)
brunch in park. we are both lying down in the sunday, and am groping her under the jacket covering her.

• Her: "I think it's better if we just stay friends" (serious talk)
• Me: "what? you mean we still date?"
• Her: "No, just friends"
• Me: "and we still have sex?"
• Her: "No"
• Me: "well, I don't like putting people into boxes. currently our relationship is undefined because it's too early. 2 weeks is too short to get to know each other. for me, we need to date, see each other for 2-3 months to get a better picture, then we can make a better judgement/decision about what we want"

then evening she goes off with her friends to see a martial arts show/fight

2014-Mar-09-Sun
she texted if she could come over to mine. I said no problem.
I was back into my "impress girl with venue-bouncing around my area"... but she just wanted to stay at home with a takeaway.... then later bedroom stuff)
Afterwards, I drive her back home and get to check our her awesome halls of residence, and we lie in her bed.

• me: what would've happened if I came back to yours on that night we first met?"
• she: we would've had sex
• me: what? I thought you were going to cook me noodles
• she: we were too drunk to cook, probably burnt down the kitchen

After Thoughts & Reflections

• I realised I over planned this and didn't even do like 80% of what I originally planned nor routines/talk n stuff.
• It now seems I've set the tone for a BF/GF relationship... which goes against PUA motto....
• I probably didn't really need to do the sexualisation (truth game), since I believe she's already into me... but the game does help make the whole lay smoother, without awkward silences or LMRs.
• HB has a little low insecurity, so I guess all the comfort/LMRIs helped since next morning she did have a little buyers remorse but not much. (not wanting to be hurt again)
• I think I learnt a lot by preparing with lots of LMRIs, reading signals, teasing, etc. In the past I never knew about teasing, nor how to handle LMRIs. So doing my homework helped a lot.

So in conclusion... still haven't decided what I really want...