Hi All,

i have been getting close to this girl who im really sure is the one we had a 2 year relationship that went wrong, we both parted i sorted out something in myself and we started talking again anyway we have been hanging out lately and she seems very hot and cold, sometimes very close and cuddly and we have even kissed, other times very stand off like the kiss meant nothing etc...

so tonight i told her about this great visualization trick to keep yourself happy, an asked to try it before she left...she said yea sure why not so we silenced the room got her to sit comfortably on my bed and close her eyes, and i ran the "Rose/ Flower Pattern" that ive read about and was told it can be dangerous it creates obsessed girls and to only use on women who u really love and want which i do ive been around alot of girls using PUA methods and she is a real keeper to me....

so i run the pattern telling her i found it in a magazine and said it out, trying to stay as charming as possible pausing as the right moments and slipping in myself as anchor etc...after i finished she sat there for around 5 seconds with her eye still closed still breathing and i said thats it and she opened them....

and it appeared to have NO AFFECT AT ALL!!!!! she said "well that did nothing :/ flowers arent a good metaphor for me as i get heyfever" and i just replied "it will work" trying to kinda in force it i guess, she then had to leave after calling her mum her dad was very drunk at pub and needed help getting home ...she gave me a hug and left saying her we go again and i said to her "just think of the orchid" and smiled she replied with "im not even sure it was an orchid" hugged me and left....

im sssooo losted and confused this was meant to be this incredible amazing pattern that links girls to you on a very deep level and this appeared to do nothing!!!! has anyone any advise they can give me????!!!!

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It might actually end up working. She wasn't in a trance though. Look for signs of trance. Don't just spit out patterns. Pay attention and guide her into a trance. Then use the pattern

I thought the idea behind NLP was that it takes affect without trances, otherwise isnt this just hypnosis ??

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Ok fair enough. I'm more of an ericsonian hypnotist who has my own theories. At this time you should see NLP as a communication tool set. I could use it to speak to the conscious mind or the subconscious, it is designed for the subconsious, so yes you are correct. You can speak to the subconscious at any moment with or without a trance and the very existence of a trance state is debatable let alone a waking trance. However, that being said, I believe in trance states, many if not most people here believe in them. Monks believe in them and anyone who has seen someone "gap out" has seen evidence of a trance state. This post could get you to Go into a trance and learn by example. Because if you are reading this in your own head and in your own voice and you keep saying "gap out" to your self then you would go into a trance and learn from example. Now, because you came here to LEARN and the best time to put the embedded commands in are NOW and if it flows together all the better and if you LEARN HOW TO DO THIS NATURALLY patterns will become exampes. The best advice I can give you, say what you want and what they would want. It is something that happens naturally. You are coming here for answers and I am speaking to both your conscious and unconscious mind at the same time. Did you go into a trace? I don't know. On some level I would say yes, no matter what your brain went through the "ritual" of what I was saying. Also there is the belief in what I am doing and also the intent for you to LEARN. I am simply using my words and time effectively to communicate on multipe levels to increase my chances of convaying information. Your brain simply absorbs the information and sorts through it. So take this as an example of how easy it can be to use my style of hypnotic language. I use what ever tool from what ever school of thought and allow it to flow together.

HOLY SHIT I WAS TRANCED FOR A SECOND!

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NLP IS hypnosis.

Even Bandler once admitted that he puts his subjects into somnambulistic trance before running NLP patterns on them.

But that's beside the point.

You lost at me "I'm sure she's the one....."

You're going down a dangerous path if you really believe that.

Also your pattern failed exactly why she told you it did--her representation of "flower" was associated in her mind, with sickness, ill health, negativity. Nothing you say is going to overcome that.

Instead of picking an arbitrary symbol, you should have picked something you knew she liked. If you had a 2 year relationship with her, you are probably well aware of things she likes, things she associates with comfort, safety, security.

Utilize one of those next time.

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Sounds like you just dumped a pattern on 'er without calibrating at all. The patterns are there just to expose you to ideas, and the ideas and language you calibrate on a moment by moment basis. I don't know the flower pattern, I don't really do prescripted patterns at all in fact, but look at what the flower pattern does, what imagery it uses, and what's embedded in it, and next time you use it on someone use imagery YOU KNOW they'll enjoy. If you know a girl is a heavy reader, you can use entering a book store or reading a book to slip in the hypno @_@ You gotta calibrate stuff and change things on the fly, not just force stuff to work

HOWEVER It sounds like you did a lot of good stuff as well; you set up a good frame, you did it, and you put out the idea that it may work, it may even still work. Hypnotism is magic like that, after all!

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If you did gap out for a second it might actually work, it's designed to get someone learning. Please note that my success rate through text is very low. Also I believe logical arguments to be more effective for men and emotional suggestions better for women. When someone gaps out they really imagine what you are saying.

To the op. How were you feeling the moment you tried it? Were you wondering if it would work? Did you give the impression to her that it was an experiment? I'm guessing yes, and by some weird magic (there's that word again) you telegraphed and communicated those thoughts to her. She had the expected reaction which was to mimic you and wonder it it worked. Think back, did you at any time show vulnerability, trust, love? Did you connect with her? Did it feel natural? Did you touch her, even slightly. Did you anchor? Did you elicit any states? Is what you say in line with what she normally would behave, normally feel about you?

The fact that she associates the flower with pain is a strong sign she has been hurt before. Flower could be relationships, funerals, hospitals, ect. There is many factors that come into play.