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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:04 pm 
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I keep having this problem, that everytime I meet a new girl and start texting her for a while I begin to be needy and start caring. This means I start getting nervous if she'll respond and so on. Another issue is that my text game sucks - and I find it hard to build attraction/spike buying temp with these girls making me more needy.

This has manifested itself in the most recent girl I've been seeing which has been for the last month. I have slept with her on 5 seperate occasions and simply my neediness killed it. She was really into the attraction at the beginning, even saying to me, saying that she didn't want me going away with some other girl when I'm out in town. But the last week or so, she doesn't really appear to have bothered - I still got away with it and managed talk my way out of it. She has now flaked, after I had a phone call from the police regarding an accident she was indirectly involved in the night she met me and got grilled - I freaked out and text her if she gave them my number but no reply, I waited four hours, for her to finish work and again nothing, so I called her, no reply (she has her phone on silent often but still) and then text her to say that I don't leave voicemails, I would like to speak to her. Got a text 15 minutes later saying she had been busy with work, was out for a meal and that she gave them my number (with no kiss on the end). I know I shouldn't have done this. I could tell she was pissed off. Left it till the next morning to make out it wasn't a big deal and have a good day - no reply. Left it a few days and text again to ask if she wanted to meet me in town as I would like to see her - again no reply. My wing, who is seeing her friend text her friend and she said that she 'didn't know' but I must have pissed her off badly and that she wasn't interested. I do however know where she works, so was thinking if I phoned her I would maybe be able to clear things, at least get closure - I know this sounds so afc and not the right thing to do.

So, I know I'm putting this girl on a pedistal but I seem to be doing this everytime. I couldn't even perform game properly because that was affecting my sub-text that night. I have thought about CBT sessions, but that is expensive.

Please could someone advice on what do regarding my neediness/validation seeking in general and what I should do with this girl - is it a dead horse worth pursuing?

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Are you interested in having sex with many girls or in dating just one girl?

If the former, your problem is simple. In fact it's one I get from time to time: You don't have enough girls texting you/interested in you. If you had, say 20 girls who you slept with regularly, and they all texted you regularly, you wouldn't care when one of them responded. You'd be too busy living your own life (another tip to avoid your problem: be busy!) and texting other chicks to even notice.

If you just want to be dating one girl, then your problem is clearly just that you are investing too much of your life in this girl. If, during day X, I have diving, a movie, work, grocery shopping, meditation, gym exercise, etc. scheduled, then this girl is just an added bonus I can add on once in a while to my day. I'm occupied with more than this girl, so I'm no longer putting her on a pedestal, as you said.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:59 pm 
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To me the police phone call to you sounds quite a serious issue and your panicking reaction was somehow justified.

However, being needy was one of my sticking points as well.
I solved it making my life busier that I can handle. I literally don't have a minute free, and there are already different stuff on my to-do list that I have to deal with in the next month... so I don't have much time for girls and such - girls are just an other item on the to-do list...

In my case, physical excercise is one of the most powerful anti-neediness.
Give yourself a long term goal: running a marathon, playing tennis tournaments, gaining/losing those 10 pounds, etc.

You'll see a wonderful improvement in every aspect of your life!


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I keep having this problem, that everytime I meet a new girl and start texting her for a while I begin to be needy and start caring. This means I start getting nervous if she'll respond and so on. Another issue is that my text game sucks - and I find it hard to build attraction/spike buying temp with these girls making me more needy.

This has manifested itself in the most recent girl I've been seeing which has been for the last month. I have slept with her on 5 seperate occasions and simply my neediness killed it. She was really into the attraction at the beginning, even saying to me, saying that she didn't want me going away with some other girl when I'm out in town. But the last week or so, she doesn't really appear to have bothered - I still got away with it and managed talk my way out of it. She has now flaked, after I had a phone call from the police regarding an accident she was indirectly involved in the night she met me and got grilled - I freaked out and text her if she gave them my number but no reply, I waited four hours, for her to finish work and again nothing, so I called her, no reply (she has her phone on silent often but still) and then text her to say that I don't leave voicemails, I would like to speak to her. Got a text 15 minutes later saying she had been busy with work, was out for a meal and that she gave them my number (with no kiss on the end). I know I shouldn't have done this. I could tell she was pissed off. Left it till the next morning to make out it wasn't a big deal and have a good day - no reply. Left it a few days and text again to ask if she wanted to meet me in town as I would like to see her - again no reply. My wing, who is seeing her friend text her friend and she said that she 'didn't know' but I must have pissed her off badly and that she wasn't interested. I do however know where she works, so was thinking if I phoned her I would maybe be able to clear things, at least get closure - I know this sounds so afc and not the right thing to do.

So, I know I'm putting this girl on a pedistal but I seem to be doing this everytime. I couldn't even perform game properly because that was affecting my sub-text that night. I have thought about CBT sessions, but that is expensive.

Please could someone advice on what do regarding my neediness/validation seeking in general and what I should do with this girl - is it a dead horse worth pursuing?
There are multiple issues here, and luckily for you, they are issues I have had to battle on multiple occasions. I'm proud to say that were it not for the work I put in, I wouldn't be doing what I do today.

First and foremost, (in your signature) your deep spiritual realization that all life is game... is very unhealthy. You need to break out of this community crap and realize that women are not that complicated, nor are they that important. Its sad to see all those community guys that drop their friends, their lives and everything really to focus on this shit. What kind of a life are you creating for a woman? Would she want to be a part of your life? Honestly...

Get non-community friends. Go out to NOT pickup. You heard me. Go out to just be yourself, shoot the shit and have fun with friends. Once a week I have dinner with my boys. No talking to or about women. Just us. Men use to sit around a fire and discuss, we don't do that anymore.

Next, neediness and validation seeking are all symptoms of a deep problem. I mean jesus christ mate, you asked your friend to ask her friend?! If you are in high school this would make sense, but if not... What the hell are you thinking? I want you to listen carefully: A MAN DOES NOT HAVE TIME TO OBSESS OVER A WOMAN. EVER. Repeat it to yourself as many times as you have to until it sinks in. Your problems of neediness points to the fact that you have low self-esteem. You have low-self esteem because you have nothing going for yourself. You have nothing going for yourself because you have not been tested. This may sound harsh but Im saying it because I care, and I genuinely want you to grow as a man.

Now, what do I mean by you have not been tested? A man's journey is to find his purpose. Your entire life should be to create an identity, to root yourself in who you are, and from there, to discover what it is you were meant to leave behind in the world. Everything else is a distraction. Women are a distraction. OH MY GOD, did I just say that on a pickup forum? Well... yes. Women should be 10% of your journey. The time and effort you put into figuring this out should be put into discovering your passions, deepening your life and unleashing your full potential. The strangest part of all this is that once you stop caring so much about women and how they react to you, they start to chase you. YEP, working on your life and enriching your character does in fact lead to more women! But how?! Simple. We often say that women should be part of the adventure, but most guys make women the adventure. Once you actually CREATE THE ADVENTURE that is your life, she will NATURALLY want to be a part of it. It is in her biology to want a man who is just that; a man. So while you waste time trying different ways to see how she will react, you are actually sub-communicating that you are not man enough to handle her. Because of that, she will not respect you (as is the case with your girl) and a woman can never be attracted to a man she does not respect.

So what do I do?

Renounce. You no longer need anything from anyone. You are complete the way you are and are on a journey to better your life. Every woman is a welcome addition but not a necessity. Stop checking your phone every 5 minutes. And dont do it because you want to seem high-value or whatever other bogus technique the community preaches. Do it because you genuinely ARE too busy to check your phone. Be real! Let her discover you. How can she discover you if you havnt discovered yourself? Your neediness and her reaction to you are hurting your ability to game?! Stop fkn gaming. Go out and be a man. Treat people like people. Get to know women as individuals and stop attaching value to them. Remember, you no longer need anything from them. Your sub-communication will align with this mindset and you will no longer betray yourself by being needy, not because you are good at hiding it, because you TRULY ARE NO LONGER NEEDY.

You'll find yourself living a much more complete life. I promise

Love and lots of it
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:03 pm 
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The_Mack

This is one of the best post I've read in this forum.

I might even want to print it and stick it on my desktop.

You are a wonderful wonderful man and I love you.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:35 pm 
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This is one of the best post I've read in this forum.

I might even want to print it and stick it on my desktop.

You are a wonderful wonderful man and I love you.
I agree! Really good advice. Thanks for taking the time to answer my post.

Just a quick update, her friend told me to text her that day of the original post, and we exchanged a few texts back and forth, I suggested we should have some fun in the next week and I got the standard I'm busy, I'll let you know... Flaked on me again during the week. I text her friend today to say I have abundance and I don't need her, but would like to know if its on or off. She said she showed her and she said I was a ''knob'' and that she had options too, and would tell me if it was on or off. I really don't care now - I know I need to let this one go. It's just annoying because she had 2 previous boyfriends who cheated on her, so I thought she would be looking for that connection making it easier in some ways. I was only looking for something light to begin with attached to having sex. I realise that I need to get this sorted otherwise I'm going to be the same in every relationship. Have bought Way of the Superior Man, The Power of Now and the Chimp Paradox in the process to help my progress.

Thanks again guys. Hopefully I won't have any future posts on neediness issues.

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The_Mack

had to register on this site to post here and say that was an awesome post! i feel inspired. haha! Thanks for the gold.


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The_Mack,

Thank you so much for this post!


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Woah! Almost two years to the day.

I'm truly humbled by those who have taken a lesson from my post.

I wish you success, joy and peace in this new year.

Love and respect
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I have to say that this is some powerful wise advice the mack.
I feel better about myself and wish I read this 2 years ago.
After reading this I feel like I don't even need to tell you my problems and just get on with it.

Thanks for this man.


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thanks Mack.

Im in a funny point in life at the moment with no Job or money and even though i dont have women in my life i know my worth and i still do 100% to look my best and keep my passion for life at 100% i agree women are only part of the equation. i needed some direction where i should be going when i've fallen off the rails and that post from you is perfect man. im impressed. ill definitly print it out and have a few reads

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My pleasure brother

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You are acting from a place of scarcity, which makes you beta to women who live in abundance (all of them above a basic bangability threshold). If you had 5 women texting you about how bad they wanted your dick, do you think you would be sending needy texts and wondering when they would answer?


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Just text more than one girl at time, let say 3 at least. So you won't have enough time to respond on them immediately even if you want, and they will think you are busy or not interested. When I text to single girl (let's say other girls are not online or I'd like to spend more time with her) I do something at that time, like playing game, reading book, cooking, playing guitar, and so on.
Let's say u are playing some computer game and at facebook she is replying you. just play a little bit more and then answer or talk again. Use short sentences, don't compliment her and use multi-threading. Not full answers and shor ones makes girls invest more in you.. If girl is interested in you she's like writing you 2 or 3 sentences in period of 5 minutes, let's say, just to remind you to wrote her back. And then you are again giving her short answer or not complete one.
She: What do you cook best?
You: Spaghetti
She: Realy? What do you put in it?
*3-4 minutes Pause*
She: I use *bla-bla-bla*
You: *some things, that can be put in spaghetti*. My friends love them and ask me cooking them all the time..

Maybe it's not good example, just can't think of better right now, I'm at university now.


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