It occured to me recently that women might respond better to the "nice guy" act. We spend so much time trying to be cocky and neg women and play games and shit tests, and I think that may be too much for a lot of women. What do you think about going the nice guy route and just being positive and friendly and not doing the cocky sarcastic stuff?

I've had a few interactions now and found out the women responded favorably to being told they are pretty, and they blew me off when I started to get cocky and neg them. Even just sarcastic/joking comments seemed to get taken the wrong way. I'm not saying to kiss her butt like an AFC, but just be extremely nice to her so that she'll call her girlfriend and tell her "So and so is REALLY nice to me..." Because otherwise she's going to say "Men are such asses..."

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Well, you should be both in my opinion. Time and place for it though.

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I believe timing is key- when to be "nice" or "cocky".

But ALWAYS bold and confidant!

And do the opposite!

If a bunch of DBs are Cocky/Neg-ing all over a potential target, and it's obviously not working. I will approach, and say "I don't want to sound rude, but I notice your very beautiful and all these jerks are hitting on you, would you like to hide out with me until they go away?" Then be bold and charming!

If the same douche bags are slobbering all over the hot bartender, telling her how hot she is, neg her a little!

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Good tips. Do the opposite of what AFCs and douches are doing, lol.

But what about once you've already picked up the girl and are dating her or talking/texting her? Especially when you haven't had sex yet. Like maybe get her flowers or chocolates, I know it's a cliche.

My theory is that while men look for an excuse to keep a woman around, which is generally just for sex, women are the opposite. They look for an excuse to get rid of the man. So once I have her attention, I'll just be super nice and sweet and complimentary. She'll literally have no excuse whatsoever to dismiss me and cut short the relationship. And even if she does, she'll have to admit the REAL reason she doesn't like me, instead of using some random thing I said as a cop out. I guess I've already convinced myself I need to do this, because my old ways haven't been working out too well.

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I personally always keep in mind not to get hung up on one girl. If one is doing something I don't like then I always have 4 others that I am currently gaming. In doing that I will eventually stumble upon a few here or there who fall in love and I keep them around because I like how well they treat me. The others I just fuck and forget but I am always working on new girls regardless. This helps me stay mentally healthy and is a good way to combat oneitis.

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I'm all about being the nice guy, being affectionate, etc. but you can not buy a woman's affection. Either you earn it or you don't.

Getting her chocolates, and all that shit can help but you have to be careful not to just look like that guy buying her stuff. Honestly, I don't think you should ever buy a girl something unless you have already slept with her now a days, even then I believe in limiting it.

You aren't looking to give her no reason to dismiss you, that isn't the goal of courtship at all. You are looking to play the game.

One basic rule in every relationship(friendship or any other kind): The person who cares the least about a relationship owns the relationship.

You buying her stuff makes you appear to care more than her, this means she owns you in the relationship because you care more than her.

It's sad these days but the romantic guy doesn't get too much love unless the girl already has a serious amount of attraction to him.

Heywood is about spot on. Those who succeed in anything go against the crowd, otherwise everyone would be successful. When it comes to courtship it's not about being nice or an asshole, it's about being a nice guy at the right time and the asshole at the right time. Does this mean you should be nice and mean to every girl? Na you do get a feel for when it is right and when it is wrong to be mean or nice. Just make sure you have the behavior of a grown man and not that of a boy. This means don't be immature and a little shit about everything.

Just my thoughts....

Peace and Love,

Vic

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See, I can't really decipher when to be nice and when to be cocky. Invariably whenever I do the cocky/sarcastic thing it's "the wrong time". I agree, you have to be leary of coming across as too needy and trying to buy her affection. Which is why you should use words mainly, and not dollar bills, to accomplish "niceness".

Also, buying a girl stuff, paying for drinks, etc., can be done before sex. I was on a date with a girl and she gave me such solid IOIs that I knew sex was almost guaranteed later that night. I paid for everything and sure enough, she put out. But I agree that you shouldn't buy her shit unless you know sex is eminent, or you are already boning.

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Okay,

Heywood's rules of thumb. Take or leave them:

Frame setting: MIRROR, MIRROR, MIRROR

If she is UP, Smartassy, Happy, Pumped. I get bold/cocky, sexual, funny, hard aggressive kino! Solid voice tone.

If she is a little down, moody, tired. I get complementary, soft kino (cuddly-huggy), Sensual, low key humor, low deep voice tone.

Bitchy/Ragging: Artificial time constraint (BAIL)

Money$$:

I directly invite on a "date". I pay! Period. If she offers to split in this instance I usually decline! (The directive is obvious here).

I Invite to join me on a random adventure. Split bill, with advance warning. (Be prepared to pay entire, just in case).

She invites me. Let her pay, of course offer a split.

Gifts:

RARE. Reward for some extremely cool behavior or action!

Has had a bad week with work/kids/life, Send cool plant to home/office, simple card "I care"

Flowers: Very rare. A single rose at a random spontaneous moment!

Cards: ALWAYS humorous! Never needy sappy, YES even Valentines!

That is how (I) do things!

Heywood

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

Here are my rules, similar with a few twists?

James' rules of thumb. Take them or leave them:

Frame setting: MIRROR, MIRROR, MIRROR - Agree completely!

If she is UP, Smartassy, Happy, Pumped. I get bold/cocky, sexual, funny, hard aggressive kino! Solid voice tone. - Agree completely!

If she is a little down, moody, tired. I Leave and fast! Any BS excuse but I get the fuck out! If she is not up and excited to see me then what the fuck do i wanna be there for? It's an insult:)

Bitchy/Ragging: Artificial time constraint (BAIL) - I Leave and fast!

Money$$:

I directly invite on a "date". I pay! No debate.

If she offers to split in this instance I always refuse.

I invite to join me on a random adventure. I pay! No debate. If she offers to split in this instance I always refuse.

She invites me. I insist on a split.

Gifts:

RARE. Reward for some extremely cool behavior or action! - Agree completely.

Has had a bad week with work/kids/life - I avoid until she is 'back on track'.

Flowers: No fucking way.

Cards: No fucking way.

If we have a good day or evening then I normally send a text the next day with something like "I was pleased with you last night. We will do it again soon"

That is how (I) do things!

PS I also monitor their monthly cycles and avoid when they are having their period and also especially if they have PMT.

This needs to be noted in advance so they never realize and then if they want to meet I am "busy with my businesses" until they are back to normal:)

I agree somewhat but I think you are giving more than they deserve.
I agree totally, other than the paying on dates. I prefer to just meet them a block away from my crib. After we fuck then I'll pay, but I still expect them to at least pitch in something.

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Let me slightly digress
Notice how I said "A Little" I can change up a mood pretty well with that! Much more effort, Yeah I'd bail!
This has gotten me instant pussy every time on numerous occasions! Scoff if you must!


I say Always humorous-NOT always give a card! (LTRs only)[/quote]

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You have to be careful with not paying, especially if you have the money to spare. Because it could cost you. A lot of guys, whether it be naturals or even pua's, not to mention many AFC's, will pay for everything on dates. Many women actually expect this SPAM and it will make you look cheap and undesireable if you don't shell out some cash for the dates.

On my first date with my ex, we did three separate things. I paid for two of them then suggested that she pay for one, just to make it more fair. I was cool and diplomatic about it, almost framing it like I was trying to make her feel good about chipping in. She later told me that she nearly considered not calling me again after talking to her girlfriend about that on the phone. Good thing she didn't take her friend's advice because I got more blowjobs, handjobs, and sweaty fuck sessions out of that girl than I probably will ever get out of any other girl for the rest of my life.

The point I'm making is don't cost yourself pussy just because you are trying to be cheap or macho.

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If is an act, you won't get anywhere with women, best system is to be YOU, not an act, you, your true intentions, who you are etc... All this gimmicky shit won't get you anywhere, and if it does it is base on an act... It seems to me you are trying to hard, going into a buyer seller dynamic... You got it all wrong... There is nothing wrong with complements as long as they are honest, not looking for something in return, and not coming from a place of neediness... Do not worry about reactions, validation, etc... Do not be calculated...

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If you meet em a block from your place you won't find yourself in that predicament.

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I've realized recently I'm basically a misogynist and a male chauvinistt pig. I've just been fucked over by too many bad women for too long, too many times. This likely will never change. But I'm still a straight guy who craves female attention and sex, so I can't just let it all hang out and show my true colors, or I'll get nowhere with women.

To me, all this pickup stuff is just an act. Even natural is an act if your not naturally that way, which most of us aren't. In time, and with practice, you become so smooth that it seems natural, just like a convincing actor's performance. I'm willing to call that out at face value, and admit to it, because I don't feel like I have many other options at this point. Being "me" hasn't got me very far with women, and being the pua version of me is only slightly better. But I feel like if I perfected the pua version of me then I could be pretty decent in time.

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