So I've been experimenting a bit with negs, and I'm running into a problem that I want some opinions on.

So last night I was at a small house party, already had one girl there firmly in the bag (F-closed her later) when a HB8 shows up with some other guy. She's dressed up pretty fancy for a casual tuesday night drunk-fest, so I asked her if she's supposed to be the cocktail waitress.

She replies, loudly "Was that an insult?"

To which I replied: "Depends on your opinion of cocktail waitresses."

From there we chatted for a bit, I wasn't trying to run any serious game on her, I just figured that I would try some shit out on her. She seemed interested in talking to me, but there was a weird sort of dynamic to the conversation, as if she was wise to my game and knew exactly what my neg was supposed to do.

Seems to me that negging as an opener sets a confrontational tone. To me, the best negs appear to be inadvertent - it doesn't appear like you're trying to bring her down, but you accidentally make her feel just slightly insecure while simultaneously demonstrating that you don't really care too much about the interaction because you're of higher value.

If you over-neg early and just straight up insult the girl, like I very well may have above, she goes into ego-protect mode and views you as a threat of some sort.

Thoughts?

Negs are all about the delivery- that is it.

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Maybe put a complimentary spin on it? "I love that dress, you look just like a cocktail waitress."

Quality post, too. I feel like we have the same mind set for this stuff, unlike a lot of other perma-AFC posters I see (maybe I'm not looking hard enough). I'll keep an eye out for more of your posts.

I think that saying you love the dress takes the 'sting' out of the neg. I think the OP delivered the neg well but, ofcourse, they all work different on different women some might laugh others might get offended.... as long as you keep your composure and are congruent with your persona!

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"Interesting dress.." ?

The most important part to delivering a neg in my experience is not so much the words, but your body language. If you neg with a big grin and laid back body language she will know you are initiating banter and will often want to get you back and turn it into a fun game. If you deliver a neg looking serious and uptight or even worse aggressive then she will think you're the biggest scumbag she's even met and will walk away. If your delivery is tight you can get away with saying things that should never be said.

For example a HB10 was showing she her stomach boasting about what good shape she's in to justify herself to me (after I'd DHV'd) so I told her she was fat. I could get away with this because first of all she wasn't fat and knew it. Secondly I was grinning and continued touching her there after the neg. She still had to use a comeback from the situation though because she's a hot girl and therefore needs to feel special so she was justifying herself to me. From when you're a kid you're always taught to never call women fat and never to ask their age. These types of results prove that you can get away with murder if you're smooth enough. If I told the girl she was fat in a serious manner I'd have probably had a drink poured over me or would've been slapped.

Maybe body language is something you need to look into if your negs don't work?

I have a friend who negs in a serious way and he continually gets told to "fuck off", "go away" and other things as well as being abused and hated by these women. He just doesn't understand the concept of body language and attitude and how they allow you to say one thing while communicating something different. He's always serious/angry and women pick up on this. Until he changes his attitude he will never get results when he negs.

Loving the quality feedback of posters. It's nice to see people doing their research instead of coming on the forum and saying "help me!!"

She replies, loudly "Was that an insult?"

Tease it back and her and say " I thought of asking you to bring me a beer on a tray if you were!"

Negs must be done carefully.