Seen this shit linked a couple times already. He does fine except he doesn't touch the girl once until a brief pat on the back near the end of the clip.

He may have gotten an instant date, but you can pretty much guarantee it ended with "nice meeting you, you're such a great friend!" unless he really amped the kino up after.

I don't think youn quite understand the art of seduction mate..... you stupid or what you don't grab women in the street.. i.e kino unless you wanna scare them of.... thats why you build comfort...

Clearly not a [successful] Daygamer. I don't kino at all during the day and it works fine. In fact, I've never pulled after using kino during the day. Stop reading books and start actually getting REAL experiences.

ok mate good for you.. where are your video's johnny berba is a real pua who gets results who are you?

So you're telling me you go on dates/instadates with girls you daygame, and you don't touch them at all during the entire date?

What are the supposed results here? A friendly encounter leading to coffee. Then you just assume he's later gone and shoved his cock in her vagina.

Compare him to someone like JustinWaynePua who does the same thing, except with touching and kissing on the first encounter, and then later shows himself undressing the girl on webcam.

Not touching the girl is just saving your ego from seeing if she actually is sexually interested in you. Eventually you're going to have to face the truth, unless you have the magical ability to fuck someone without touching them. In that case, I applaud you, you wizard motherfuckers.

I think that some people enjoy being touched early and some don't it really depends on the type of person you are dealing with(visual people don't like being touched early as often). You really have to get a good feel for people to know how comfortable they are.

I always encourage a very non-threatening touch to the upper arm, it's not a big deal. In the Body Language is the Key to Natural Game thread I recently posted about how a guy who touched their upper arm with their hand DOUBLED(from 10% to 20%) their chances of getting random girls numbers by simply asking(not building attraction) on the street in one study. Woman tend to enjoy the feel of intimacy, so a light non-threatening touch is a mild form of intimacy, very good in attraction.

Just using pure studies, yes a light upper arm touch is a serious improvement in building attraction.

No doubt though he is getting these girls attracted, listen to their voices. I just think it would accelerates attraction, builds comfort, and accelerates the courtship to a touch phase. Very important to advance through the courtship phases.

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Contact is an important element in escalating sexually, but the idea here is to get the girl to initiate the physical contact. (touch) When a man approaches a woman, his interest is already implied ( as he is the one approaching) A common mistake guys make is initiating contact and or too soon.

There are a million ways to get a girl to initiate contact, it could be as simple as asking her to feel the texture of your tattoo, or feel how soft your ear lobes are, feel my hands, they are a working mans hands, playfully walking in front of her then stopping...etc etc.( see how she reacts, does she push you with both hands, does she walk into him with her entire body, etc etc, the more playful she is acting the better). By getting her to initiate the contact, you can then better assess her comfort level with you. Remember you are trying to identify her level of comfort and interest, yours is already implied.

Once she has initiated, she will unconsciously accept your touch. Then it's game on.

Touching her first especially too soon can often harm your chances and put her in a defensive posture. Then not only do you have to deal with her psychological defense but also a physiological( unconscious) one.

The man in the video demonstrated excellent technique in establishing initial comfort. Enough to get her to come with him. He still has work to do, but by changing venues, he is allowing himself the opportunity to change his game. Her deciding to go with him for a coffee, is in a sense her allowing him to escalate.

If he continues on that pace without showing some sexuality, you are right! he will not get far right away. Ideally with the change of venue, he will change his game up and slowly start to show his sexuality, and ramp it up based on her reactions and body language.

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Hugging, handshake, high fives, pat on the shoulder are basic.

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If they smile. Its better to pick em up and run, or use the claw to move em around. Shaking them. Or u can get them to give u a kiss on the cheek. Knowing how to do these things is important.

Day or Night I do not care, same rules apply, u gotta adapt.

Calibration is the key.

Kino moves should be about 40, even the same moves repeated.

A reason to not do these things is lack of knowledge or just plain fear, or even forgetting to do them. U must do them enough to programme them into musle memory.

If kino is done wrong it looks like a PUA move. When done right it looks like two people who know each other. When u do these moves the first time it will always look awkward.

It is essential to separate yourself from the aggressive beggar or someone trying to sell anything.

If u do not try something 20 times or so, you'll never know if it is works or not.

Good luck guys.

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I agree that you have to follow a woman's attraction curve, closing the distance and touch can become suffocating and make them uncomfortable. However I restate studies prove that girls are more attracted to guys who give a slight touch to the upper arm. It is non-threatening and has proven through studies to double your numbers.

Just saying fight it all you want, science is best to use. ADD TOUCH IF YOU WANT TO BUILD ATTRACTION FASTER.

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I totally agree. I also completely agree with what you said in your initial post. Especially about certain women being more open then others to contact.

It's just a matter of knowing when to do it. What I was suggesting by getting her to initiate is a way for a man to get a better sense of where she stands and also opening her up for your initial contact. By putting the ball in her court and assessing her reactions, you are leaving the analysis to you rather then initiating and hoping it's the right time for her. especially if your time is limited.

What I would of said if I was the man in the video, when she commented on him not having the physic of a boxer. I would of made a joke and asked her to feel my bicep as I flexed it. (especially if it was not impressive) It would of given him valuable information as far as her initial interest. Did she do it right away, did she pause, did she look comfortable doing it. etc etc etc.

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I would have just introduced myself with my hand and used my other hand to lightly touch her upper arm, politician style, why do you think they do it? Why do you need a "when to do it" if you are adding a non-threatening proven attraction booster? Such as a light upper arm touch. It is such a great thing to have in your arsenal. You can't just wait and wait to hope a good moment comes to touch, no you got to add in light touch, not groping but upper arm is so non-threatening. It has proven to help build attraction when you simply ask "may I have your number?"

I want to make this clear, I am not someone who suffocates someone, or moves to fast. I am not an over responsive guy, I have a good feel of when to speed up and slow down. When to escalate, and when to comfort. I understand how to build tension, and attraction.

I am pretty proficient in reading body language, all I do is gauge her interest level based off of her body language. I use non-threatening body language to sneak in under the barrier. At a certain point the attraction goes from a mild interest(we see people we are physically attracted every day), to a sexual interest. I got a pretty good feel for things, I can tell how comfortable they are, more importantly how to advance things while keeping them comfortable.

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I wasn't referring to you poeticlyskuac. I was referring to people with little experience and in general terms My comments were more for people that don't know when exactly to initiate. It's quite evident you know what you are talking about. And I applaud your study of body language as in depth as you do. In my opinion it is instrumental in all aspects of human interaction, not just pick up. I have had a keen interest with body language for years and it's truly amazing what one can pick up off of people. I love poker almost as much as I love women, so studying body language has always been a must for me. I strongly advise any potential PUA to spend a lot of time learning and interpreting body language. The best part about it is, once you pick up on specific actions from people and know what it means, you start to see it all the time, and it becomes an absolute truth.

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More or less, yeah. I'm sure I do touch them every now and then, but it's not anything I do consciously. "Kino" as a technique really isn't useful for me during the day.
Now, if you want to contrast that to what I do during nightgame (only started doing nightgame VERY recently), it's essentially all kino/physical dominance. The clubs here are very loud so I just pull girls in, and go for instant k-closes. Really is a numbers game for me though.
I guess I just follow a more relaxed, chilled out form of game. I usually don't get overtly sexual until I'm on a bed, or somewhere where I can go for a full f-close.
In my experience, it's easier to convince a girl to want to sleep with you when you've already got the logistics down. Escalating earlier usually causes them to be hesitant/reluctant to come back to your house, because they know what's going to happen.
I'll qualify that by saying that this isn't always true. Some days I just don't give a fuck and go really direct and sexual from the get-go. Not with the same results though, and those girls have all been ones that I wouldn't particularly like to hang out with (I'm talking about their personality). I'm sure in these cases I probably am a lot more physical.
No. Justin Wayne does his thing, and fair fucks to him. I've gotten k-closes on the street within a couple of minutes, but it just looks flashy - I've never been able to take it further.
I see kino as just another filter - I'm sure there's some girls that might like it and some girls that might not. If I don't do it, I don't risk anything, if I do it, I risk loosing her. In my experience, I usually do lose her.
No it's not. I've got no problem touching girls, grabbing them, carrying them away from their friends, rapid escalation, going in for the kiss, dropping my hand on them, etc. I don't do it because it cuts my results down about 100%. I don't get laid when I kino during the day, I get laid when I don't. I'm not ego-driven, I'm results orientated.

Now, as I've said in the beginning, I'm sure I do touch women when I'm on a date and that. When I say kino, I mean intentionally, or consciously touching her. I think that if the issue was that I'm uncomfortable with touching a girl, then she might pick up on that. But because I AM comfortable touching her, and it's by choice (because it's irrelevant to the situation), it comes across in my general vibe, and demeanor.

Now, with that out of the way, I'm gonna ask you not to use a dickheaded tone. This is an internet forum, nobody really gives a fuck how much knowledge you've heard about.

Yup people become very transparent at some point. You know what is funny? The very first poker tourney I ever played I won. I didn't even understand boat beats flush, or the numbers aspect. I actually had to learn to play poker after I won a tournament lol. Even funnier I kept placing (I do better when I don't play cards) before I read a book on poker. I had to learn to crunch numbers and play mathematical after I won a tournament(in fact that holds me back a lot in some of the lil tourneys in my area).

If you haven't done Microexpressions in poker yet I highly recommend it. When they get a looks of disgust on their face(like oh shit flush) you can wreck them by betting(if they are smart bet small value style, I mean it is all psychology really). If they are dumb bet big to get them off the pot like you have something huge.

People are always honest with their thoughts just pay attention.

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