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by definition you are incorrect, it is the status that a person holds that would deem them alpha or beta, don't confuse dominant, physically attractive, and rich, with alpha, status is attractive, and football players have alot of it (same with ufc fighters, they have status among other fighters), the athletes hold more status then all other athletes thus making them high status among athletes, if a girl wants an athlete then these men are prime picking, however on the field the coach's are alpha, at work the ceo's are alpha, the followers are beta, this is the way being the person with the highest status and authority works, you don't lead someone and have less status then them, that is an oxymoron
I agree to disagree. Dana white may not be as ALPHA as some other UFC fighters but he still is. As do all the other UFC fighters that are not as Alpha as some. Put them into the world outside of fighters, and they are dominant to all. Power and positition may exhibit some alpha qualities, but it does not make them Alpha. If you took president Obama and a regular joe that is alpha, and you stranded them both on a deserted island. Given enough time, Who do you think would be the dominant one? When all other social status is eliminated.

What about the animal kingdom where there is no looks, social status, wealth. etc.
The Alpha is simply the most dominant. He is the leader, only because of this.

Most leaders in our world are leaders through status wealth and education. Not because they are alpha.
that is the problem, social status exists and is a factor, it is the reason why when guys get famous they all of a sudden can do better with women, that is why improving your lifestyle overall is an attractive thing to do, that is why alot of women will show interest in you if you roll up to the club in a ferrari instead of a pinto, social status matters, material possessions and fame are the proof that you possess status and respect, and as for obama and some random joe, people with natural leadership qualities will naturally fall into leadership rolls, being physically intimidating and being a leader are not the same thing, there are two ways to gain respect in my opinion, one way is fear, and the other is admiration, and we are human not animals, when dealing with humans it is more likely for someone to gain high status through intelligence and their ability to interact with people and have a wide network of support, rather then be the biggest brute swinging ufc gloves around killing all the men in their path who appose them

and once again, most leaders in the world are leaders because they are leaders, the alpha is the leader by definition regardless of the way the person earned their respect among their peers
Well said, I guess we are just looking at it two different ways. I agree with a lot of what you said. However as far as the Obama and the regular joe. I feel once survival instinct set in. Obama would be the follower. My point is, when it comes to picking up. The Alpha is the dominant one. I know plenty of Alpha males, that go to a social gathering with people that have very high status, yet they tend to take over the room. They dictate the energy and pace of all the others. I have seen this many many times. I have also personally done this. I have some very wealthy friends that are in position of power through work. But when we hang out, I usually dictate everything. They may be Alpha at work but they are not when out with me.

What about in prison? When leaders of this society, go into another society, such as prison, they end up being put in a protected cell. Their leaderships qualities are not sufficient to become the alpha dog. There are many different levels, of Alpha. What I am saying is that all though high status may exhibit Alpha qualities, it doesn't mean they are Alpha. Being alpha is a natural quality. It's rarely obtained but more so genetically encoded within an individual.

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@ kasabi : Isnt this a a bad way to deal with AMOG´s?

That might work for some pussie guys, but a real AMOG will fuckin punch you in the face after bringing such a line, really.
Its a great way if you want to get beaten up after having a nice time in a club


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I agree to disagree. Dana white may not be as ALPHA as some other UFC fighters but he still is. As do all the other UFC fighters that are not as Alpha as some. Put them into the world outside of fighters, and they are dominant to all. Power and positition may exhibit some alpha qualities, but it does not make them Alpha. If you took president Obama and a regular joe that is alpha, and you stranded them both on a deserted island. Given enough time, Who do you think would be the dominant one? When all other social status is eliminated.

What about the animal kingdom where there is no looks, social status, wealth. etc.
The Alpha is simply the most dominant. He is the leader, only because of this.

Most leaders in our world are leaders through status wealth and education. Not because they are alpha.
that is the problem, social status exists and is a factor, it is the reason why when guys get famous they all of a sudden can do better with women, that is why improving your lifestyle overall is an attractive thing to do, that is why alot of women will show interest in you if you roll up to the club in a ferrari instead of a pinto, social status matters, material possessions and fame are the proof that you possess status and respect, and as for obama and some random joe, people with natural leadership qualities will naturally fall into leadership rolls, being physically intimidating and being a leader are not the same thing, there are two ways to gain respect in my opinion, one way is fear, and the other is admiration, and we are human not animals, when dealing with humans it is more likely for someone to gain high status through intelligence and their ability to interact with people and have a wide network of support, rather then be the biggest brute swinging ufc gloves around killing all the men in their path who appose them

and once again, most leaders in the world are leaders because they are leaders, the alpha is the leader by definition regardless of the way the person earned their respect among their peers
Well said, I guess we are just looking at it two different ways. I agree with a lot of what you said. However as far as the Obama and the regular joe. I feel once survival instinct set in. Obama would be the follower. My point is, when it comes to picking up. The Alpha is the dominant one. I know plenty of Alpha males, that go to a social gathering with people that have very high status, yet they tend to take over the room. They dictate the energy and pace of all the others. I have seen this many many times. I have also personally done this. I have some very wealthy friends that are in position of power through work. But when we hang out, I usually dictate everything. They may be Alpha at work but they are not when out with me. Do you get what I am saying?
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I have been following this thread, and have garnered much useful information.

Even scrolling through the Oprah Winfrey, round table portion.

I have found the best way to win an argument, is to walk away, knowing that I am right!

I am not one of you young bucks, I am 52 but this is the path I have chosen to peruse. I was divorced after 22 years. So I must pick up and move on from there!

After joining the gym again with a long absence, I found the best way to get back to the physical condition goal I was looking for was to find and befriend someone that is at that point, and do everything they do!

On to the question in point.



My online game seems to be on point, Lots of IM, Texting, and Sexting.

Day game is not bad, especially with women my own age. (being more fit than most anyone I meet my age helps tremendously).

So SexAddict911?

I seem to be having a freeze up issue, at F close, I start thinking about logistics, her kids being home, my kid being home. did I have one to many drinks to not pass a sobriety test?

And yes kids I still get laid, by my main booty call very regular.

Due in part to some of the good advice I have gotten from this site (kudos Stylelite), I average about 7 "meetings" per month, about 50% online 50% face to face.

Case in point, I meet this HB8. that no shit looked just like she dropped off the show Jersey Shore. but we only met for coffee on Sunday before lunch, I had the mind set already, of no pressure, to set up a day two. It all went very well, lots of eye contact, progressive touching, util time to close. I said I had thing to do, we should go. Walked her to her car. I kissed her on the cheek. she obviously wanted MORE. I just said text me later and left .

How do I get past this mental stumbling block??


Hey There, I am glad to see you are back at it. life is too short to not enjoy yourself. People seem to think older people should just sit at home and read or golf.

I think it is important to realize you are in a better situation then most when it comes to meeting and being intimate with women. There is far less games when it comes to older people. Sure a woman may still want to be courted, but they don't have time for BS. So no need to play any games. People are wiser as they get older, and tend not to have time for anything but the truth. Especially when it comes to dating. I say, be aggressive, speak your mind always. Be sexually open. If you want to do a woman right when you meet her, tell her. Odds are she will be good to go, if not she will respect your honesty and dictate her own pace.

As for your inner thoughts, be open about them too. Tell the woman your thoughts, exactly as they come. Women your age or close to it, should already have seen a lot of the world and the people in it. They already know how men are. They will understand and appreciate the honesty. They are not gonna judge you like a 25 yr old women would. So no need for anxiety. If you speak your mind and show your inner vulnerabilities, they will no longer be an issue. Usually anxiety when it comes to dating is based on " what the woman may think of you" or "what other observers will think" I am sure by now you know that really doesn't matter. If a woman doesn't think well of you, just move on. There is millions of single older woman just dying for attention, especially from a fit man your age. Your market is much bigger then one would think. There is not as much competition as a lot of men in their 50's are so set in their ways, if they are not getting laid on the reg, they accept it. Or they don't have it in them anymore to chase women.

The fact that you do have it in you, makes you unique and a rarity. Most women that are single at around your age, are dying to date. They tend to have forgotten that they can be desired.

I say, show them they are desirable, remind them of their youth. Compliment a lot, show your sexuality. Showing desire to a woman that feels as though she is well past her prime will only make her feel great.

If you eliminate your inner thoughts by making them outer thoughts. These issues you are having should be gone and the next steps can be dictated by you both rather then haunting your mind.

Good luck my friend.
TY! SA all good rock solid advice! but to be honest, I have not found many my age I'm attracted to.

The one I am going to spend the weekend with is 12 years my junior (hot size 5 Italian)

Just lately, I seem to be miss reading the close signal, from some of the younger women, I have learned .... if you miss that one the 1st time ... it is rare you will get the second chance.

I straight up think, if it not possible when that comes about, instead of missing it. Telling her "I would so love to fuck right now, but I have to ...bla bla bla.. so meet me here tomorrow!" what do you think?

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I never once claimed to be an Alpha massage therapist. That's just dumb. I am however an entrepreneur. I presently have 2 other massage therapist that work for me. I don't exhibit any alpha to them, there is no need. It's just a work environment. Most High level bosses only garner respect from their employee's because they have to or they will lose their job. Not because the boss is Alpha over them. We are talking Alpha in a social setting, this is what this forum is about. Work and politics are an entire different entity. I never once said there isn't alpha's in high status positions. There is a lot. But just because someone is in a position of authority through work does not make them Alpha. Alpha is a combination of Intelligence and stature. Intelligence alone will not dictate such things. Otherwise all the geeks in the world would not only be running the world economically, they would be running the social gauntlet as well.

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TY! SA all good rock solid advice! but to be honest, I have not found many my age I'm attracted to.

The one I am going to spend the weekend with is 12 years my junior (hot size 5 Italian)

Just lately, I seem to be miss reading the close signal, from some of the younger women, I have learned .... if you miss that one the 1st time ... it is rare you will get the second chance.

I straight up think, if it not possible when that comes about, instead of missing it. Telling her "I would so love to fuck right now, but I have to ...bla bla bla.. so meet me here tomorrow!" what do you think?
Find the happy median, women in there 40's are the same as women in their 50's. They still desire to be desired as they were when they were 25. Express your interest often you dont have to come right out and say you want to fuck them but you can imply it within your conversations.

As for the letting your inner thoughts out, I stand firm on that. Women will appreciate it and since you are still dealing with 40+ it's a great thing to be as open as possible.

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TY! SA all good rock solid advice! but to be honest, I have not found many my age I'm attracted to.

The one I am going to spend the weekend with is 12 years my junior (hot size 5 Italian)

Just lately, I seem to be miss reading the close signal, from some of the younger women, I have learned .... if you miss that one the 1st time ... it is rare you will get the second chance.

I straight up think, if it not possible when that comes about, instead of missing it. Telling her "I would so love to fuck right now, but I have to ...bla bla bla.. so meet me here tomorrow!" what do you think?
Find the happy median, women in there 40's are the same as women in their 50's. They still desire to be desired as they were when they were 25. Express your interest often you dont have to come right out and say you want to fuck them but you can imply it within your conversations.

As for the letting your inner thoughts out, I stand firm on that. Women will appreciate it and since you are still dealing with 40+ it's a great thing to be as open as possible.
This is why I joined!, not because I'm bad, but because I want to be better! Thank You. I will be looking forward to more.

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@ kasabi : Isnt this a a bad way to deal with AMOG´s?

That might work for some pussie guys, but a real AMOG will fuckin punch you in the face after bringing such a line, really.
Its a great way if you want to get beaten up after having a nice time in a club
Where in the World do you live that you think you'd get beaten up for what I just wrote? In 20 years, I've been involved with one bar fight and it's only because the guy thought I was screwing around with his girlfriend (I was . . . and I knew the girl from a time before he met her)

Fights do not escalate from silence, they escalate from a discussion that turns into an argument. And fights only occur when there is a perception of imbalance of power (not only physical but social) that favors the aggressor. The reason to address the girl first is to create an alliance. It's, "WE are not interested" instead of "I am not interested." You can even tap a guy next to you and go, "Do you know this guy?" first. Then you let the amog have his moment. Just let him blabber away. Allow a little silence afterward. Then you gently tell him off but loud enough so everybody hears. At a club/bar, nobody sides with the aggressive loud mouth. Girls typically don't speak up but when the intruder walks away, you'll hear everybody around you saying things like, "What a jack off . . ."


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1. Address the girl, "Hey, do you know this guy?" - the answer is no.
2. Address the guy, "The lady doesn't know you and I don't know you. Do you have anything to say to us?"
3. Let the guy talk.
4. "Are you done? We're busy. Thanks."

A guy pretty similar to you once told me that he wouldn't let me talk to a pair of ladies that he came to the bar with:

1. Ask the ladies, "Is this your brother? Uncle?" - The answer is no. . . giggling.
2. Address the guy: Who I choose to talk to is my choice. Who the ladies talk to is theirs. Who you choose to talk to is your choice. Do you have anything more to say?"
3. Silence.
4. "We're busy, thanks."
I agree with baxter, this is a good way to get a punch in the face. Especially if you do not have your own stature. ( I am sure you know what I am talking about Kasabi) You are addressing the Alpha in a condescending manner triggering his fight or flight response, his will just so happen to be "fight" I stand by what I said, as it has worked for me very often. I find your technique to be WRONG and indicative of someone that has not been in this position often. Sure it seem's logical on the surface, but the more you are engaging the individual with your words " the more you become a target. The question was directed to the AMOG alpha of the group. Meaning you are within his group, not some random guy trying to pick up the girl you are working on.

Asking the girl if she knows the guy or if she has relations with him should already be implied. DUH!

Suggesting to say " are you done? we're busy"? will surely get a negative reaction from someone that is in no doubt not used to being talked to like that and is already alcohol induced.

Any type of conversation other then saying. Hey man, this is my girl. Or she's with me. ( in a polite manner) Will surely end in a type of confrontation. It's best to ignore him, stand your ground with your body, not your words. Pull her closer to you This will eliminate any opportunity to be confrontational. Keep eye contact with the girl and let her know that none of this is phasing you.

If all else fails, take her by the hand and go to another area. The guys not gonna chase you, unless of course you already engaged him in conversation and no doubt triggered an emotion.

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Give me some advices on picking up a girl on a very loud club. The point here is only to take her home, if I get rejected... Life goes on lol.
Body language is essential for initial approaches. If you don't know a lot about it, there is some very good books out the for reading others or directing your body language.

Ideally, the loud music can help as you can get closer to her to talk. Just be careful not to yell in her ear. Get close and face her straight on. But while you are talking to her, pay attention to her body language, if she is giving you signs of interest. Try for the quick escape. You can say stuff like, its too loud in here to talk. I find you very intriguing, lets get out of here and find somewhere not as loud so we can talk. If she is willing to leave it's a sign of interest and trust. Good odd's to seal the deal. If she's not willing to leave right then and there. Get her digit's tell her you will text. If it's simply too loud to talk. Try to engage her with your body language, dance with her. if it starts to run a little dry from lack of conversation. Tell her you have to go find your friends and you will be back. But tell her to watch her phone as you will be texting her. Then simply go away, but text her. Work your game through the text, you still maybe able to hook up with her when she is leaving.e) or after her friends are home....etc etc. ( be sexual in your texts, women tend to be more open with strangers when they are not face to fac

Keep in contact, all night. Suggest meeting for some food, coffee. or your place or hers. Go with the flow. If you have already escalated somewhat with your body language, then simply suggest hanging out, but always show sexuality. If you are constantly showing your sexuality and bringing it up in your conversation and with your body language. She will associate you with SEX. So even if she is "just meeting you for coffee" sex will be implied. Keep it strong, if she trusts you enough to leave or meet up with you after. There is a awesome chance you are getting laid. Just don't be too pushy, let her dictate the pace, warm her up. get her in the mood.
What if i'm a guy that don't wanna hang out with girls at all actually? I find it boring, all I wanna do is party hang out. I don't wanna go for coffee, I'm not that type. If I have to describe my self, all I can say is that I'm actually lazy and find it being boring to hang out with girls, I feel shame when I go out with a girl. All I wanna do is find a girl and take her home. What can I do and say/text which is sexual? I have no clue about what to talk about to be honest.. And when I talk to her face2face on a place where its not loud. Should I talk with high energy, or a voice like I'm laying in bed with her? I read a book and it said its good if you talk like the way your in bed with her. What do you think? And thanks.


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...If you took president Obama and a regular joe that is alpha, and you stranded them both on a deserted island. Given enough time, Who do you think would be the dominant one? When all other social status is eliminated.

What about the animal kingdom where there is no looks, social status, wealth. etc.
The Alpha is simply the most dominant. He is the leader, only because of this.

Most leaders in our world are leaders through status wealth and education. Not because they are alpha.
You're not serious, are you?

A good leader knows to capitalize on the talents of individuals in his group & positions them based on their intellectual/physical capabilities. Hypothetical - but If Obama were to be stuck on an Island with an 6'5inch beer drinking, cigarate smoking, 350 pound Alpha Dog he would let him lead the way for all hard manual labor. But when it comes to applying brains he'd probably be the one calling the shots.

The diff. between Animals and Humans is that we have a thinking brain. There could be 10 guys in a group, each with Alpha traits. But when it comes to deciding which bar/club to go to one might call the shots, when in a fight the most physically stronger one might lead to protect the group, when talking to strangers the most socially caliberated might take the lead - Non of these mean that they aren't Alpha Males, just means the position of leadership gets altered depending on the situation

Also, Alpha Males dont need to dominate - People follow them naturally because of the intellect or their ability to make decisions and lead a group, etc.. People with high chairs in offices get there either with the intellect or their ability to lead groups and all of the above explained - To call them beta males just shows ignorence.


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Competitiveness might be the word people are looking for here. Its a motivating force to push oneself forward. Whatever it takes. Although this is not necessary if u just want to be good as to being great.

JFK groomed by his father to be captain of the football team, and also competitive in other fields too. One of them being Marilyn Monroe.

Mohammed Ali boxer is one good example.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is respected.

Western leaders due to political correctness are not always permitted to indulge their appetites where French and Italian leaders are expected to, otherwise they would be seen as gay.

If Obama was the King of the Zulus or even a French president he may feel less constrained to feed his appetites. The cost of infidelity for a western leader is too great. It is hard to say really, as most people are not really tested in life, so u do not know how they will act in a given situation.

I would have said Bill Clinton, but there is a question mark as he was attracted to only ugly women. I apologise if I offend any Bill Clinton fans.

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I havent had time to read ALL the pages but my questions are simply:

what is your opinion on sarging alone at night?

and how often do you reccommend going out/how often did you in your learning days?

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hey sexaddict. i'm thankful for your presence on this forum, which is generally clouded with a lot of misinformation and insecure people...

can you help me out with something? i'm conflicted as to how i should approach the aspect of relationships with girls. i don't yet have comfortable relationships with any hot girls, only ones i would never consider fucking. for the girls that ARE attractive, i am generally uncomfortable and awkward ... so how do i get over this? for some reason i don't feel like approaching girls with sexual intent will do anything for me because i'm too self-conscious and the interaction usually fails. on the other hand, if i just treat them like completely platonic friends, i feel like i'm lying to myself and being a pussy by not realizing my intent to fuck them.

so which is the right solution? i know you expressed the importance of comfort with a girl. so does this mean i have to be 100% comfortable with myself around a girl before i can start expressing any sexual intent? Should I be focused on building relationships with a girl at the risk of losing sexual interest instead of having sex be the first priority?


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