Based on what? An extensive study of how hard it is to bang ugly chicks? Come on, man. You're really going to tell the newbie to just hit on the hottest chick in the place, because she's "easy"?

I'd tell him to hit on her, but do it because it's hard. Because it shows that you're fearless. Gentlemen, do NOT settle for easy. Do NOT hope for the perfect pickup opportunity. The more difficult the challenge, the more impressed the woman will be by the attempt. Sometimes, even the failure will be impressive, so long as it's obvious that you're unaffected by it.

The women I've known are constantly wanting to tell their girlfriends stories. And in those stories, they want to be seen as being extremely hard to get -- but for the incredible courage and audaciousness of their pursuer. And this is the frame of mind you need. Fearlessness. A love of danger.

If it's a woman who's with a boyfriend, hit on her.

I'm from Turkey, although it has been a very long time, so things may have changed there too. They try too hard to be "western" these days.

I have an intro topic here. The reason that I came here is that my ice breakers have not worked very well with girls in this country. I tell her how I feel, and they laugh at me and tell me "that's so cheesy" or the nice ones are "aww, that's cute" and walk away leaving me embarrassed and less willing to talk to more girls...

You have to realize that from all the stories I've read around places like this so far that the guys that are most successful so far want to be able to get as much women as possible and into their pants.

I can care less about having a ton of sex, I want to unconditionally love someone and it's ridiculous that I have to think about doing this not coming across weird in this day and age.

I guess that I shouldn't rush it at the same time, my father always told me that the right girl will come to me when I least expected, and I will know that she is the one.

I get what you gals are saying but we are guys, we don't have girls hitting on us we don't have choice and for some guys approaching a girl can be a daunting task, just as skydiving or wrestling an alligator mayb for sum. The point i'm trying to bring across here is that sex is a human NEED just like food,water and breathing and if we guys need to be in a relationship or find love to have sex then sum of us would prob get laid like every 2 years or in some cases NEVER.

It's only a daunting task if you make it that in your mind. If you have the mindset that a single rejection will send you into despair.

What Elise is saying is that she wants to meet men who aren't afraid of approaching her, who aren't ashamed of their desire and who don't need games to stay in control of the relationship.

Women don't want to make it "easy" for us. Rather, they want to make it hard. At least the good ones do. They want to reject us to see how we react. The rejection is only the start of the courtship. It's up to you to demonstrate how unaffected you are by it. Crack a smile. Make a joke. Be cheeky. And even if she isn't physically attracted to you (the basis for the original rejection), she'll suddenly become curious about why you're so damned confident. In this way, attraction blooms.

Well they've had more sexual partners on average. I don't care about how hard it is, I care about how attractive she is. Why bother putting in more effort for a less attractive or equally attractive chick? I've got better things to do with my time than pursuing women that aren't interested in me when probably 1 in 3 are. I fail to see any correlation between finding the hardest girl out there to pick up and being a Gentleman. I always thought being a gentleman had more to do with being respectful, self-confident, sharp and engaging.

As I once said, for girls, rejection sometimes is an invitation Razz

what the game is trying to do is to teach guys how to look like an alpha male, but it does not teach them how to BE the alpha male, it lures the girls into attraction, only to find out its not the deal they wanted when its too late to withdraw

Rejection from women means we are not attracted - but its easily reservable. what women look for in a man is alpha male traits (eg confidence, leadership etc) And if a man can demonstrate that, we would later get attracted