Just a quick comment, and something to think about for all the guys that don't rely on pre-rehearsed lines and routines. Food for thought if you will. But do you think any girls in the 1950's and before considered Men to be of lower value than them. Back then guys did everything for women. As so many rule based fools on here would say, "they were being so AFC"

No they weren't, they were displaying a true value as both a provider and a genuine good bloke. When I got into community shit I bought into these Ross Jefferies/Mystery/The Game myths of not buying girls drinks and not offering a girl your seat and shit. And I see why those things are there. It's stop guys trying to look like they're impressing the girl. But you can do these things as a gentleman, NOT BECAUSE YOU ARE TRYING TO IMPRESS THEM, BUT BECAUSE YOU'RE IMPRESSED BY THEM.

This doesn't mean you think they're better than you, this doesn't mean you worship them, this means you understand a few things. High heels aren't that comfortable, offer her your seat. To this day, women earn less than men, and spend hundreds of dollars on clothes and make up to impress you(that's right you, the guy that's interested in them) and tend not to drink cheap beer, offer her a drink.

You can do all those things and have girls vying for your attention because they all want to be the girl you're focused on. Every woman on earth has a biological desire to find a provider. Some may shy away from this, and many will come to be cynical or at the least skeptical of every schmuck in the bar hitting on them in the same way. But if you're cool, collected and supremely comfortable with both yourself and your environment you can do whatever you like for a girl. Because you understand the challenges she faces.

And because you've proven you are a provider and not a dick, or on the other end of the spectrum, a suck up, you have separated yourself from 99% of the guys she meets. If you get together as a couple in the future she's going to remember that from day 1 you were a great guy, she didn't have to prove herself to you for you to be nice. She didn't have to fuck you for you to be friendly. And she thinks that she's got a better boyfriend than all her friends so when she's out she doesn't feel insecure, which makes it harder for some "PUA" to use some bullshit "boyfriend" destroying shit on her.

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I see what you"re saying and on some levels I agree on others I don't, il give a basic example.

Hot girls ALWAYS have guys coming over and telling them they are gorgeous and offering a drink etc, and it's a fact that sometimes girls will accept the drink and brush you off, or not even notice your complimebt as it's the 36th time they have heard it that night.

The point is that YOU DO WHAT OTHER GUYS DON'T to get there attention to start with, soon as they are in the "comfort zone" and you have a connection where she realizes your worthy of her time THAT'S when you can offer a drink and be nicer etc.

The point is at the beginning you don't want her thinking from the beginning that you will do all the chasing. Offering a girl a drink you don't know.. Sure it's friendly but your jumping through hoops for her that she hasn't even put there.

Look, maybe this is just in Australia, but I don't see most guys offering a girl a drink. And every girl I offer a drink to spends ages talking to me. I don't really recommend buying a girl a drink straight away, but hey, I tried it and it worked. And I certainly will buy a girl a drink after I've been hanging out for a while.

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If it works over there then that's cool, every has there own "game" anyway, come on... Who hasn't seen a guy pick up a girl in the weirdest/clumsiest way and thought "how the fuck did he do that!"
English people see Australians as being a lot more friendly/ approachable anyway, no idea if that's true it's just the vibe we get. But I promise you in London you get alot of bitchy stuck up girls!

I agree.

The myth that women collect drinks and then just brush off guys isn't nearly as common as guys here preach. Most times, if a girl isn't willing to chat with you, she wouldn't accept a drink in the first place.

I think you mis-understand the concept of supplication, there is a huge HUGE HUGE, difference, between, opening a girl with hey, can I buy you a drink, when you meet her at a bar, or buying her a drink when she ask/demands, and buying her a drink on a date, or deep into rapport.

Lets go over what these things communicate at different times, and after we do, you would benefit from reading chief's post on intrinsic motivation.

Ok, first buying a girl a drink immidiately,
this communicated the frame, I am so low value, I need to buy your time, the only way you could undue this, is if she watched you roll up in a limo, you were wearing a golden suit with diamonds on it, and you have been ''makin it rain'' all night (it ain't trick'n if you got it), and hey the occasional time, if you buy 50 drinks, for 50 girls, a few might hook and listen to your crap, because you spent money, but why pay for something you can get for free (some will refuse the drink, some will take the drink and hussle you, some will listen to your crap, some were interested in the first place)

Next, we have the drink when she asks/demands it, are you going to do things for people just because they tell you to?, just because they ask you to?, why? just do what you want to do, bribing someone to get them to like you is retarded when they will like/dis-like you regardless

Now buying a girl a drink when you are in deep rapport/on a date, I say, if the girl is in deep rapport with you, and she has already sexually qualified herself to you, and you both have agreed to go back to your house, buy her a drink, it is a classy move, if you are out on a date, buy her a drink it is a classy move, makes you not look like a cheapskate

and that's my view on this issue, also ask yourself, how many girls have I slept with that I bought drinks for when I first met them? (the answer should reveal how successful the tactic is)

I do nice things for girls all the time but they have to earn it first. If I've just said hello to her, I'm not going to buy her a drink. If we've been having a great chat for a while and I'm in the mood for another beer, I'll offer her one too. I'm not doing it to get her to like me more or to get more attention from her, I'm doing it because I like her and I'm enjoying her company.

I don't think it's all that important in the early part of an interaction/relationship though. I think it becomes much more valuable as the relationship deepens. Being a genuine, nice guy is what keeps a girl coming back for months, even when she knows it's not an exclusive relationship.

Well as I said, it's not a tactic i really use myself, but as a purely scientific experiment I tried it a few times and 100% of the time I slept with the girl. So it's obviously very effective. That's not a exaggeration, I bought 5 girls drinks, I slept with all 5.

As for the issue of only doing nice things for girls once they've earned it, it's bullshit. If you're a genuinely nice guy you CAN do things for people before they earn it, and continue to do so until they fuck you over, then they've lost you forever.


Look maybe I'm better looking than most guys on here, or my fashion sense and huge social circle make me instantly likeable to more girls than the average guy, but it really seems that anything works if you're comfortable in yourself and comfortable approaching the person/people you wish to talk with. I'm most comfortable being a nice guy, and given I've beaten cancer I want to share the gifts that I have in the limited time I have, we all have.

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Look, the point was you probably could have slept with 5/5, without even buying them a drink, just being your self, without the earning it ''bullshit'' just being your genuine confident self, you are assuming you have to bribe women to get them to like you, you don't, just be yourself, tell them you are intrested in them, have a conversation, escalate, nature will do the rest, that was the whole point of my post, and you are starting to realize the whole reason for the community, just be confident and believe in your self ''be your best self'' if a girl dis-likes you, she will reguardless of if you buy her a drink or not, same way vise versa, bribing a girl will not get her to like you.

Absolutely not. I'm not assuming that I can't hang with them without it. I'm indicating that the cost of a drink means nothing to me because I'm financially secure. And am comfortable sharing what I have. 4 of those 5 girls bought me a drink too. And all of them offered to split the cab ride home. Don't assume all girls are using you, and don't assume all girls interpret gestures in the same way. That's stupid community thinking that will stop you using your intuition.

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The point was simply you don't have to buy girls shit to get them to like you, most of that will be based off of, how cool/skilled/good looking you are.

Ok, but if a girl says:''can you buy me a drink?'', what do you guys say?

Cuz when someone a week ago ask me that question I didn't know a good answer to say no.

Yeh I would only buy a girlfriend a drink in that situation. Certainly not some girl I just met

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I think that's one of the situations we are all saying buying a girl a drink is a no no.

I went out last night and had a really successful night. I didn't buy a single girl a drink.

"yeah i am going to buy you a drink if you are going to fuck me" hurrray!!
Ok guys i have a much different gaming style and thoughts of game so i am going to share my comments about the topic. Its all about calibration. Infact, its so simple. You dont wana be like every other guy means if every other guy is offering them drinks, then not buying them drinks is what you want to do. If no one off ered them and all of them are behaving like mystery method guys, then buying her drinks is the best way to go. Before you start approaching what you want to do is observe the venue and get a feel for the behaviours of people, you wanna first form your idea of the venue, are people drunk? Are guys trying to buy drinks? Are guys shy? Are girls open? What kind of approaches could have been done on them? And that info. Helps you a lot. After that you wanna focus on the target, buying a drink or not buying a drink depends on the target that how she views it. Does she think you are doing that to talk to her? Or to impress her? Or because you are a gentle guy? And how she would peceive it depends on her current emotional state and her current emotional state depends on other people's behaviour toward her. If 20 guys tried to buy her drinks then ofcourse she is going to reject you, but if no guy did that? You have a chance. But to stay on the safe side, you dont open them buy offering to buy them a drink and after being in set you start to get an idea about what type of girl she is and based on that you can either buy her a drink or take it as a shit test and deflect it

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