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I took the lead. I texted her so she has my number and called her a few hours later to know if she was at the university. I've been on the phone for 32 seconds exactly... She was working and told me she'll text me back in one hour. She did not.

So I'm waiting for her to text me. I'm a bit trapped here, I don't wanna come across as needy, so I won't text/call her again. On the other hand, if I don't get the message or call I'm a bit screwed... I'll see her at the university but I would like to have her on a damn date so I can actually do something.

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1) You're damn smart, damn witty and damn honest, you come by this honestly
2) You are humble enough to admit your fears and open enough to tell strangers about them
3) You understand human interaction
4) you're attractive enough to generate interest with just your appearance and solid body language
5) These traits are GOING TO GET YOU LAID
Thanks for your post Insert! I do believe I have anything I need to get laid... but I need to evict the wussy inside of me before :)
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So, apprehension is your biggest enemy right now. Nothing wrong with liking this girl, even if it is a lot. You need to make sure you let her know about your like and your lust in equal parts! Try to offset every "friendly" or "helpful" thing you say or do (Kino, body language, context of convo) with something that implies your sexual interest as well. I am a lot like you, it is hard to imply the lust covertly, but the friendliness comes naturally. The implication at the end of your convo's with this girl need to be balanced so as to not push it in either direction. I have fucked a lot of chances up with my nature and have more friends than notches in my belt, but recently, that is changing.

If you do push it in a direction, which direction better suits your values and desires? Ya, I would want to fuck her too :)

Think back to the old friends that you used initally to build confidence...the nature of the most helpful convo's were in a balanced, or slightly more sexual context. Don't over think it, act intrisinctly, let your natural charm flow. Just couple this charm with a sexual deameanor. Kino escalate while saying what you feel like saying. Look at her lips when you are talking about your camera, be honest about how beautiful you think she is. EYE FUCK THE HELL OUT OF HER WHILE YOU TALK ABOUT HOW HOT YOUR COFFEE IS! I think you get the point :)

It never hurts to use canned conversations at times, if they fit the context. But overall, your body language and internal arousal can do most of the work, you got over the shyness and you have always been interesting. She will be hanging off of every word.

One fantastic option to move into a sexual frame is to talk about how happy you are to have met a female presence during your travels, of course you had your doubts, and of course you WANTED to meet a girl in brazil. This will directly let her know that you think of her as a woman, and yourself a man, and all that implies, without you having to say anything too direct. Say it with your hot-cup-of-coffee- eye-fucking going on, and she will get the message ten fold!

In a nutshell, speaking from my recently developed transition of a number closing, kiss goodbye and intimate conversationalist persona to the guy girls want to fuck, you have all the tools. ALL OF THEM, in fact, you have more personal power and reason for inner game than you can imagine. YOU WILL GET THE F-CLOSE or fucking fail trying. If you try. Either way, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Strong rapport will build comfort, strong sexual tension will get you attraction. You know you have to Rapport down, Rather than thinking about what to say, think about all orgasms you're going to give this girl.
I'm not affraid of having her on a date. On the contrary, I want it so bad. I want to eye fuck her, I want to make her shy, I want to be sexual. I want all this man.
What I'm affraid of is not having that damn date.
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The comment about not freezing her out is a good one, she needs to feel like you like her. BUT, as you know, she does not want to feel like you need her. So, let her know you think she is interesting, but don't let her know it while you have the look of falling in love on your face(fuck, that one right there took some work for me, damn AFCISMs), look like you admire her for it. Let her know she is Attractive, but take the time to look around the room at other women, the waitress. This girl doesn't OWN you, you don't OWN her, But you OWN yourself. She comments on you checking out other girls (It took me a while to figure out how to not backpedal on this one, it happens a lot, girls are overly jealous) say you admire beauty. Comment that her beauty was why you decided to ask for her number in the first place. In your mind, the fact that she is WORTHY of your intellectual interest is a very pleasant surprise. (Don't say worthy, girls don't like that...Imply it takes effort and talent to impress you...yeah, I've made all the mistakes)
Sure! Thanks for sharing, that helps me. I'll keep you updated.

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In regards to this particular girl: A little too much logistics and not enough "fun". Entertain her as you would a 10 year old kid instead of setting up plans with her as if she was your travel agent. Crazy people can ONLY do crazy. Dumb people can ONLY play dumb. The smart and logical can do ANYTHING that works. You know you're smart, she knows you're smart. You don't need to sell smart.

AFC Dainel: Let me tell you why I love Brazil... Music is sweeter, food more fragrant, and breasts jiggle a lot more. (Stare at her breasts) Wait, hold it . . . hold it. . . . this research is for science and all of mankind. Now! We shall dance. (Offer her your hand)

Crazy/dumb can't do ^this.

Stick to the plan: Take this one out but keep opening . . .


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Damm this is SO exciting!

Just like reading a book or something!

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Stop being thick and contact her again.
I think that's a bad idea. I spoke with her on Facebook, then sent a text message, the called her... As Insert said, I do wanna make her know that I like her, but I don't want to seem that I need her. I'm going to the uni tomorrow for my first day. Maybe I'll see her. If I don't I'll contact her again.

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My suggestion would be: go to her French class and sarge OTHER GIRLS!!!!

Either she's there or she's not, either she's willing to speak to you or she's not, IT IS A WIN/WIN.

Once she sees you're sarging the fuck out of her class, she will spread her legs like there is not tomorrow


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In regards to this particular girl: A little too much logistics and not enough "fun". Entertain her as you would a 10 year old kid instead of setting up plans with her as if she was your travel agent. Crazy people can ONLY do crazy. Dumb people can ONLY play dumb. The smart and logical can do ANYTHING that works. You know you're smart, she knows you're smart. You don't need to sell smart.

AFC Dainel: Let me tell you why I love Brazil... Music is sweeter, food more fragrant, and breasts jiggle a lot more. (Stare at her breasts) Wait, hold it . . . hold it. . . . this research is for science and all of mankind. Now! We shall dance. (Offer her your hand)

Crazy/dumb can't do ^this.

Stick to the plan: Take this one out but keep opening . . .
Yes Kasabi, I'm really trying to entertain her in our interactions: being funny, a bit crazy and all. I understand what you're saying with the smart thing. I have to show some other stuff.

I need to approach more though. I've only done one approach here in the end... I've got a nice result, that's great. Yet, I've not been serious enough since then. I need to get back on tracks. I have a all set of issues to tackle and I'm far from being good when it comes to approaches and still need to work on meditation... I've been struggling with negative thinking... now I'm projecting myself with her... Not good at all. DISCIPLINE.

I need to be more serious. I'll take some time tonight to get organized again.

I start university tomorrow, I'm going to meet a bunch of new people. It will be all about social game... I have to prepare a little the "strategy" for the big day.

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My suggestion would be: go to her French class and sarge OTHER GIRLS!!!!

Either she's there or she's not, either she's willing to speak to you or she's not, IT IS A WIN/WIN.

Once she sees you're sarging the fuck out of her class, she will spread her legs like there is not tomorrow
I was thinking about that too actually. :)

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DAY 40: brazilian cutie contacting me.
Getting the control back.

Previously on "Little Miss Sunshine".
I've been in São Paulo Brazil for 5 days.
FIRST DAY: I managed to number close a HB8/8,5 (Little Miss Sunshine) on Oscar Freire street (like the Champs Elysées, but smaller). I took her phone number and name. She suggested me to add her on Facebook... I did it the same day.
SECOND DAY: Nothing. I was busy and no sign of her on Facebook.
THIRD DAY: Friend request accepted. My Facebook profile allows me to DHV as hell currently (photos of the Louvre, Paris, Florida...). She even left a "Salut" on my wall. Since she was connected, I spoke a bit with her through the chat (details: 14-vt81510.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=207). I tried to be C&F. I bought a phone the same day, couldn't call tough: no credit.
FOURTH DAY: I sent a text message to give her my number. No answer. I called her a few hours later to know if she was on the university... She picked up, told me she was working and that she would send me a text message in one hour. 32 seconds call. She did not send me a message. I was a bit nervous on the phone but hopefully 32 seconds are not enough to notice it.

Today's episode.
She sent me a message on Facebook:
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AFC Daniel,

Sorry about yesterday, I did not feel well, and I stayed at home, so I didn't call you. I'll go to the university next monday, becaus there will bee beer,"bateria"... The adress is [whatever], just after [whatever], but I explain for you better. Do you have msn?

Beijos (= kiss)
Okay, I like that... I feel like I actually have the control. Main elements:
1) She's apologizing
2) She has been sick?
3) She's inviting me to a beer party (don't like beer though).
4) She asking me for my Live Messenger contact.

Note: yesterday = valentine's day.

Next episode?
I've been chatting with Tweeby who gave me some nice advice about all this.
Basically:
- I should subtly make her feel a bit guilty about ignoring me: I'm not saying "that's okay" or "damn bitch".
=> I don't really know what to do for that point.
- Reframe it as her being shy.
=> " you were sick? I noticed you were a bit weird on the phone"
=> "MSN? Are you shy? Why not just calling me if you wanna speak to me."

- Show some fun
=> "Beer party? cool, we'll have some fun bla bla"
- Make sure she pick up the phone next time: no more FB or MSN.
=> "I'll call you later during the week... just make sure you talk a little longer you geek" (Tweeby's)

Now I have to confess... I'm not comfortable either about calling her but a man have to do what he gotta do right? Same thing with the beer party... Not the kind of environment I like, but as Tweeby said, maybe I should work with what I'm given.
Truth is, I did not event think a minute the reason why she was ignoring me could have been that she was just nervous about all this... she did not seem shy at all when I approached her. Anyway, I like where it's going.

I'll take my time and answer through Facebook tomorrow. Looking forward for any advice!

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OMFG go to the beer party, don't drink any beer and SARGE OTHER GIRLS in front of her fucking eyes!

Preselection, MAN!

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OMFG go to the beer party, don't drink any beer and SARGE OTHER GIRLS in front of her fucking eyes!

Preselection, MAN!

GO GO GO GO
from my basic understanding of hew-mon's, thatd be a bad idea, other than opening a few girls and being friendly. No girl is going to like you for gaming girls when you're on a date with her, would you like it if a girl you were meeting up with just started getting with guys whilst you were there. . .

just my opinion though.

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Come on, is a party invitation! It's not a date!

And when I say sarge other girls, I dont mean k-close them, I just mean being friendly and flirty with other girls, run some routines and try to befriend the entire party!

Demonstrate to be AMOG all over the place!

If you convey the message that "girls like you", she will start qualifying so freaking BAD!


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Hey Daniel,

It's nice that you posted your text message here because others can offer their opinions... Remember, I'm an AFC on a journey as well so all feedback is stuff I can learn from too.

Just to clarify a few things from my point of view.

Not sure what others think here but to me... going back to MSN or facebook instant messaging seems kinda backward to me.

I mean, I've had girls in the past give me the most ridiculous excuses as to why they couldn't answer the phone.

Me: Ok ima ring you tomorrow OK?
Her: Just to let you know if you ring I might not answer because I can't always hear it.
Me: What... OK grandma turn your hearing aid on then you might hear it. Retard! x
Her: LOL, yh it that was a bit silly :)

Reframe that shit...assert your dominance.

After all you got the number, the logical course of events would be to continue this shit by phone. After all talking creates more of an emotional connection than texting and at the end of the day isn't this what it is all about... creating the highest emotional investment you can (sex being near the top.)

I've been reading a lot of 60yoc recently and I like how he advocates keeping the tension UP UP UP. Making her feel a little guilty for taking a little long to reply wouldn't hurt... it also sets the stage for her continuing this shit by phone which is where you want to be heading...
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Sales Pressure
People in sales use this technique all the time. They put you on the spot and try to make you feel bad for saying no. They directly ask for the sale and then keep quiet as the pressure builds on you. You feel like you don’t want to disappoint them.
This is no accident. Salesmen know that people have a very hard time saying no and letting someone down that they have rapport with. In fact, they purposely try to make it as awkward as possible. You may even feel sorry for the salesperson. Don’t feel bad, he wants you to feel sorry for him. It helps him get the sale.
Now, my former wingman, used to be great at this. In fact, he never even realised he was doing it until I pointed it out to him. He had an uncanny talent for making the girl feel guilty for flaking on him and then turning it around to his advantage.

As long as you don't go overboard I don't see the issue. You can even reframe it as her being shy for taking so long to reply... It also sets the stage so that when you ring her she will feel obliged to talk to you on the phone.
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'Hey it's totally cool. Ok so you were sick but I didn't think it would take so long to reply :). MSN? Stop being a geek. I'll ring you sometime during the week... Monday sounds great fun... Have you ever played beer pong? I'm a master I show you how I roll...'

Or something to that effect... As long as you end the message with FUN FUN FUN as Kasabi said it seems like a winner to me.

Anyway, I'm sure the others will tune in....

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Uhhh,

Just so you know, whatever her reasons, they are her own.

You got the text, you don't need to make her feel guility. Unless she is dumb, you're going to come off like your trying to hide the fact that you want to qualify yourself and that you are miffed she didn't call back, that is control in her hands, whether you both know it or you just know it.

Simple reply...less is more, something to the effect "No worries, I don't use MSN. now that I have a phone, I don't have a need for MSN. As far as the party goes, I would love to, when should I pick you up/meet you/whatever implies YOU are going with HER."

If you know where the girl is at in proximity to the Uni, dont ask her where and when, tell her where and when cause you know it works, like :Ill pick you up at the fron parking lot" but, if her circumstances are unknown to you, just be polite and ask when/where, it is not qualification. Thats how I would play it, any comments out there? Anytime I have tried to make a girl feel guilty, I find a strong disagreement within my inner game related values. You are a man, and a hell of a man at that, games are for kids, you just see it, say it and take it for what it is in life. THAT IS ALPHA. Someone out there with valid results in gaming want to lend advice on that? Im just beginning to make this work, so, always room for improvement.

GOOD LUCK, don't drink beer if you don't usually, but admitedly give it a shot for the sake of a good time. You're from france, you like wine, that is reason enough and you don't care if someone thinks it is pretentious. YOU OWN YOU!


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This is an awsome story and a great example, ur awsome and i wana go sarging every time I read ur posts! awsome dude keep it up, im right there with ya

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