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Emotions be Aware

There is something we as humans all have and that is emotions. While emotions can be a wonderful thing, they can also be a terrible experience. They consume our thoughts, change what we think of. The biggest problem is they change our Perception on the situation.

You guys need to be Aware of your emotions, and how they are changing your Perception about the situation or environment. If you are thinking does she like me, does she like me, does she want me to do this, does she want me to do that, you are letting your emotions own you. You should learn to own them. You need to be Aware of how that emotion is dealing with the situation. If you are too worried about what she thinks you have very little understanding of what she is actually signaling you to do. Don't get caught up in anything just decipher the message.

Become neutral, learn to just sit there and read the situation. If you find yourself thinking focus on breathing a little bit, just find a way to neutralize your mind. Emotions will get to you here and there, but you can control how they effect you. Learning to step back and view the situation is easy when it is your friend, but when you are involved you tend to let your emotions block the message.

It is very important that we learn to neutralize our emotions when we decipher the message. I brought this up specifically because this is a problem for most people, including me. Your feelings, can control you and it is important that you are Aware of them and how they have changed your Perception of the situation.

Just a short statement most of you guys should think about.

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Hell yeah! I also find it a lot easier to approach a girl when I understand her signals. If her BL is saying "I like you, come over and talk to me you idiot!" then its really not a big deal and SHE WONT REJECT YOU! That is unless you are being a jerk or really drunk....

I have read a lot of material from David D'Angelo, Neil Strauss, Gambler but this thread on BL is without a doubt the one that improved my skills the most.

To all guys that are looking to vastly improve your skills: read and re-read this thread and a whole new world will open to you.


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Hell yeah! I also find it a lot easier to approach a girl when I understand her signals. If her BL is saying "I like you, come over and talk to me you idiot!" then its really not a big deal and SHE WONT REJECT YOU! That is unless you are being a jerk or really drunk....

I have read a lot of material from David D'Angelo, Neil Strauss, Gambler but this thread on BL is without a doubt the one that improved my skills the most.

To all guys that are looking to vastly improve your skills: read and re-read this thread and a whole new world will open to you.

Thank you that is one hell of a compliment. Those guys are all legends and earned their names.

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Hell yeah! I also find it a lot easier to approach a girl when I understand her signals. If her BL is saying "I like you, come over and talk to me you idiot!" then its really not a big deal and SHE WONT REJECT YOU! That is unless you are being a jerk or really drunk....
Yes, but even when you notice (or think that you notice) her signals you wonder - maybe I am wrong and she is not sending signals... I mean even after reading the whole thread I still am not too confident about reading their signals. I mean there are situations when you are 95% sure, but in most cases you still wonder... Its not THAT easy. Well at least for me :)

For example girls checking you out. Lets say you are in a bar and within 30 minutes of being there you catch single girl looking at you for 5-8 or 10 times (every 3 minutes lol, and thats only the times you notice :D ). Most of the time that should mean she is interested in you right? And it should mean she is sending some more signals alongside with just looking at you, however its very hard to notice them for me. :oops:


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Yes, but even when you notice (or think that you notice) her signals you wonder - maybe I am wrong and she is not sending signals... I mean even after reading the whole thread I still am not too confident about reading their signals. I mean there are situations when you are 95% sure, but in most cases you still wonder... Its not THAT easy. Well at least for me :)

For example girls checking you out. Lets say you are in a bar and within 30 minutes of being there you catch single girl looking at you for 5-8 or 10 times (every 3 minutes lol, and thats only the times you notice :D ). Most of the time that should mean she is interested in you right? And it should mean she is sending some more signals alongside with just looking at you, however its very hard to notice them for me. :oops:
If you are 95% sure, get over there now. She has made it very obvious if you are a novice and you are 95% sure. That means you not only think she likes you but you feel she likes you(intuition- you subconsciously read people), you just don't believe in yourself some how some way.

That means you are letting your emotions get in the way of deciphering the message. That was one of the reasons I brought that up. Just read it for what is there. Act like you are a friend reading her for someone else if you have to. If you are that worried about her aiming it at you smile at her and raise your eye brows at her, she will smile at you if she likes you. Then approach her.

Your problem stems from your lack of confidence overall and not just in your confidence in your reads. You are the reason I started this thread if memory serves me correctly. You have been on board since the very very very beginning of this thread. Have confidence in your reads. How are you suppose to have confidence in your reads if you never even approach the girl you believe is giving you signals?

Stop second guessing yourself, walk over and say "Hi, how are you?". That is it, "What's going on?", "How's your night rolling?". Just make sure you make an effort. You need to just take your emotions and worries out of the equation and move on to just seeing it for what it is.

Ok this girl has been meeting eyes with you every few minutes. She keeps establishing eye contact. Now she is perhaps looking where you are looking. Or maybe she takes a drink shortly after you take a drink. Now add a slight preen here or there and she is obviously interested. Maybe she has turned her head to expose her neck. Moved her hair to give you a visual of her neck. She is into you.

Work out a plan where for a week all you do is watch face. The next week add hands and arms, than legs and feet, and than Torso. Just slowly add things, maybe it takes more than a week. Maybe focus on just preens(clothes, hair, jewelry), than submissive signals(neck exposure, tipped head, lowered eyes).

Do it on TV if you need. Turn off the volume and just watch. If you are that worried makes sure it is a movie you have watched and know well. Just keep studying people.

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Well I actually aproach them, I did not say I didn't :) What I am saying is that its still difficult to notice those blocks or clusters of signs. For example: I notice a girl checking me out a lot and I approach her based only on that single signal- her looking at me. It turns out that she was really into me. So she probably sent me a bunch of other signals along with the only one (eye contact) I noticed :) The conclusion - Its still not so easy to sport the signals for me. I was responding to the guy who said "you just only have to read her body language and its all good". What I am saying that reading the body language is the hardest part for me. Not aproaching or keeping conversation/kino. What I am saying that I still notice good number of signals, but I feel that I notice only about 10% or so :D
By the way I am better at reading body language now than I was before this thread, so its helping me :wink: Just it seems so easy when you write it, and its easy to understand. But not that easy to spot :)


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If you see girl constantly checking you out, that should be enough. If you are unsure, you can always throw in some C&F.....When you see her checking you out, you could say: "OK....you and me.....outside!".....you are trying to imply that she wants to pick up a fight with you. When she (probably) says that she isnt trying to pick up a fight (duuuh), you could say :"Naaaaw.....I must be cute then"......

As I mentioned before, this thread is awesome and it should the the starting point for all noobs. Add some C&F, some routines and some kino and you will be fine, I guarantee. Personally, I think that routines and similar will help you gain more confidence in the beginning and when you have more confidence you will probably move away from then and begin operating more like a natural. Personally, I have said some AFC stuff during the weekend (asking girl whats her name) but since I was relaxed and confident, it worked like a charm. Girl was also relaxed, smiling and touching me all the time.....You just need 1-2 successful approaches dude, thats it! Just go for it....


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Well I actually aproach them, I did not say I didn't :) What I am saying is that its still difficult to notice those blocks or clusters of signs. For example: I notice a girl checking me out a lot and I approach her based only on that single signal- her looking at me. It turns out that she was really into me. So she probably sent me a bunch of other signals along with the only one (eye contact) I noticed :) The conclusion - Its still not so easy to sport the signals for me. I was responding to the guy who said "you just only have to read her body language and its all good". What I am saying that reading the body language is the hardest part for me. Not aproaching or keeping conversation/kino. What I am saying that I still notice good number of signals, but I feel that I notice only about 10% or so :D
By the way I am better at reading body language now than I was before this thread, so its helping me :wink: Just it seems so easy when you write it, and its easy to understand. But not that easy to spot :)
Well that is awesome that you are bold, than you approach these girls. How does it go? Are they checking you out most of the time.

Yeah we as men tend to pick up very little. Even well studied we miss signals, I know I do all the time. I wish I had the money to buy a camera, I'd get you guys some video. Just find a few of the girls I know and have them do some of the body language that I see. It is so much easier when you see it.

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>>> Poetic

It would be awesome with a video with some female friends demonstrating! Maybe you could borrow a camera? :)


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Well that is awesome that you are bold, than you approach these girls. How does it go? Are they checking you out most of the time.
It goes well, its not like I am a noob at approaching girls, I have no problem approaching, I approached them even before I knew that body language exist (I mean when I was 14, 16 and so on). There is absolutely no problem for me picking up a girl. The problem is that I wish I could notice more signals. This is the hardest part, not anything else :) And like I said your thread is helping me a lot, every day I try to look for those signals and see more and more. Just my progress is not as fast as I wish, hence there are many situations when I am not sure if she is interested or not. That does not stop me from approaching her, just makes me upset that I could not read her.


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Sorry guys been a minute.

Peacocking Body Language

Often times we notice a person in the room who because of their animated body language. They are loud or they just over play their stories with animation. I don't know any other way to explain this but Peacocking with their body language. Some people choose goofy outfits/colors/jewelry others peacock with body language or so it seems.

People who are loud tend to attract attention, most of the time it is an alpha personality(male or female). They tend to stand out with a loud laugh or their voice seems to be dominant in a conversation. I happen to be one of these people. People tend to look my way because I am a little loud(it is part of my character not on purpose though I am aware of it). Whenever you are the loud one you attract attention. Sometimes it is good sometimes it is bad. I am lucky enough to have a goofy laugh so that is what usually projects. When you are laughing hard people want to know what you are laughing about.

Another way people tend to attract lots of attention is with motion if someone is moving around a lot or out of sync with the general crowd then you notice them. Someone who dances crazy at a club/concert attracts just as much attention as someone who is animated in a crowd of calm people. If you want to attract attention and you are telling a funny story about whatever you can over play it with your body language.

Animation and movement tend to attract lots of attention. When we are sitting around scanning the crowd the person who attracts the most attention seems to be the person who is animated, they have lots of movement. You are talking about baseball as a kid while acting like Babe Ruth will certainly attract attention.

Movement is something we notice as primal instinct, we notice movement because we don't want to be the prey of predators. Since the first step to courtship is getting attention this can be used in an environment to catch attention. You can tell a story to your friend and show lots of comfortable animated body language to catch attention from a near by girl.

One thing I tend to do is dance. I love to dance so it happens when I am playing pool. Girls love a guy who can dance so if you got moves you can certainly use it to your advantage. All you are looking to do is catch attention so that you can look over and get recognition. Gambler talks about using a slight movement to get a little attention. This is all you are doing is using movement to get attention, doesn't matter how as long as you don't look like a buffoon. I am not saying to dance like a monkey or jump around, just a little animation can certainly attract a lot more attention especially with your open and non threatening body language.

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The Importance of Posture

In a dark or dim SPAM such as a bar or club you can't really judge as much by looks as posture. When you are a solid distance away you can only see body structure and posture. For obvious reasons posture becomes incredibly important. It is already a important part of how you would like to present yourself if you want to show confidence.

In reality we can almost always see confidence in body language, how some one holds themselves is how they feel about themselves. If you want to show yourself as a youthful, strong, good mate you should always show strong posture it is a sign of youth and value. It is primal instinct to like this.

When you are in a dark SPAM you should always look to stand confidently because the only thing people can judge each other on is posture. Good posture is probably the most important part of presenting yourself anyways.

I noticed when I went to a concert with some girl that I got more looks than normal, it was dark out and I wasn't wearing anything to really catch attention. I realized it was my stance, I had a wide stance, confident shoulders, head held high, a presence so to speak. I had three girls stand next to me two had their feet pointed at me and their bodies were facing me, I would make occasional eye contact. Cute girls to, I just found it disrespectful towards the girl to go after another girl.

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If you are looking to reshape your body the most attractive look from a womens stand point is the V shape, your shoulders are wide and they taper down to your waste. This gives you the sign that your athletic, strong, and young.

For women however it is hip to waste ratio. We look for a ratio of .6, this was about the average of women through out playboy. Interestingly enough this includes hieroglyphics and old paintings through out history. It is a sign of youth and therefore fertility. We all love the Hour Glass figure. Good for conversation.

I am just trying to get some stuff up for you guys. I'd really like to know if anyone has any questions. I believe this is a great thread to keep going.

Some stuff to help out the beginners, I remember how hard it was for me.

I am starting to blog weekly again for anyone who wants check it out click on the www button.

I have been putting up a tip a day. Just helpful stuff that I seem to think of everyday that I don't want to just post because they are so short. These are things you can look for and not overwhelm yourself by focusing on so many different signs. Something you can look for through out your day.

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This is a forward from Twitter: Show Your Mind
Love Signals- The Body Language of Courtship

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Also I still want to make a video to help you guys out, don't want to do it if it will be a waste of time and nobody will watch it, looking for interest. Also looking for what people would want in it.

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I've been reading your thread and blog for sometime now, so I've been here almost everyday for the last week or so just combing through all this to reap your valuable knowledge. I want to say thank you so much for your glorious insight into social interactions, body language, relationships, and what I need to do to become a better person.

I think the great thing about what it is that you're doing here is that you're also giving me advice on how to become a better person IN ADDITION to how I can be more savvy with the ladies. You've literally changed everything about my game from how I smile to the way I walk and I must say the results are super positive. I'm much more confident with women now AND confident in myself.

What's even more impressive is that you've done an amazing job describing BL with only your words and experiences. I think I speak on behalf of the entire PUA community when I say that a video outlining Your Approach would be SUPER HELPFUL. This way people can actually see how someone with a lot of experience with Natural Game uses the tactics to make approaches, closes, etc.

Once again, you're unbelievable for putting up this information. I used a more PUA style approach before finding your thread (canned openers, card board approaches, etc) but I think you've shown me my true calling: NATURAL GAME. Thank you for revealing the world of Natural Game to me, because I'd literally be sunk without it. I think about this thread everyday along with your advice on Natural Game , because it makes the "better me" shine brighter.

Keep Rockin' Dude. You have a major supporter of your blog, thread and video right here.

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What could you tell about them looking up after your eyes meet? I know its not good since its like saying they feel better than you or something like that, but I swear sometimes even in the situations when they look up I still think they were sending positive eye contact :)

And of course video would be awesome, I anticipated for it since you mentioned it month or more ago :)


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What could you tell about them looking up after your eyes meet? I know its not good since its like saying they feel better than you or something like that, but I swear sometimes even in the situations when they look up I still think they were sending positive eye contact :)

And of course video would be awesome, I anticipated for it since you mentioned it month or more ago :)
Oh yeah, if she is looking up and away it isn't always a bad thing. There is always conflicting signals, however it is up to you to gather the evidence (read the signs) and see what it means.

It may just be them playing and joking to be snooty. Sometimes they are access memories, thoughts, etc. It is more when they are snobbish (you will see it), there isn't just one signal to tell you if they are interested or uninterested. You have to look for clusters. Add up all the signals and they tell you a message. If a girl is looking up and away as a first reaction it may be bad, just follow the signs. A girl that keeps making eye contact even if she is looking up and away may be simply trying to hide her attraction, we as humans are after all taught to hide our feelings.

Gather all the signs, make a decision. Any time a girl is making significant eye contact you have to take that into consideration as a positive sign(unless they are smirking at you), we avoid looking at things we don't like most of the time. Though sometimes we are curious and look at some disturbing stuff when that curiosity gets the best of us(always the exceptions), the majority of the time we react by looking away when we don't like someone/something and don't look back(if she looks back it may be a positive signal).

It is more than possible that some of these girls are looking up and away as a positive sign, it is certainly not a deal breaker if she does. I keep repeating it but the truth is one sign isn't going to over ride everything, if a person is smiling at you doesn't mean they mean it(unrelaxed, no smile with the eyes). A person may be saying they didn't do something while shaking their head yes, indicating they did do something. People always send conflicting messages, the point is to sort through the shtuff and look for what message is being said the most. What message are they sending with the most consistency, that will be your answer.

Guarantee you have read right a bunch of times when they were looking up and away. Is that what you were looking for?

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