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clemo69
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Started doing day game really for the first time in my life. Have been out a couple of times and had reasonable results. Just wondered what any experienced people think of my routine and how I could improve it.

I start off with asking directions or a time opener this is my pre opener

then give a time constraint

then go for a female opinion ie going to see a friend who wears makeup when we go out what do you think blah blah

then give a neg

followed by some general chat. What you up to etc

followed by a number close ( hopefully )

I did a palm read on 1 girl to dhv but she said ok but now this is getting a bit weird. I got her number and we texted a bit. But because she said it was weird I didn't use it again. Feel I need to dhv more but not sure how to transition to this.

Went out yesterday did 13 approaches got 5 numbers. 3 were flakes but 2 I texted a bit but then flaked.

Just looking for ideas of how I can improve this routine. I know this routine may look lame but I am just starting out and am trying to start slow with something I can remember and manage. Going out every other day for 3 hours to get really comfortable doing this.

Any input would be much appreciated.
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Good that you're doing this! It requires balls that 95% of the guys don't have.

To me, daygame is just the same as night game. i use the same tricks and lines etc.
the difference between the 2 is that a at daytime: 1) they're not drunk (or at least, i hope so for them!), 2) girls are not expected to be hit on, so chances are big you catch them off guard, which can be either positive and negative, 3) at day, people are on a mission. it's advisable to not pick up girls who are in a hurry, cuz they won't to go forward and continue their path. pick the girls who are just watching windows from shops or who are relaxed (so who are not in a hurry).

You're doing an indirect approach. It's good, it's simple to start conversations. but after the opener, you should go more sexual, if you want them to remember you, date you,have sex with you.

have you ever tought about going direct? like, let's say you're in this shop, and between the cloth racks you have great eye contact with a cute girl ... you'renot going indirect here. just wak up to her, say something cocky, be sexual (not horny), she will remember you.

Also, not every place is good for day game. i would avoid day game in bussy streets. Go to places where people are relaxed and/ or iddle. Like a coffee house, or a magazine, cloth shop, ... etc. To my experience, bus/ train/ tram/metro stations are great to pick up women, because they're not going anywhere, they have to take the bus. you got al the time to game her.

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You are supposed to tell about you doing palm reading, not actually ask her if she allows you.
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In order for you bring the subject of palm reading up, you want to bring it up as a subset of

ANOTHER story. This way, she won’t see you as only a palm reader (or at worst a one-trick

pony clown), but rather sees your overall value as demonstrated by the story you’re telling her

about, and she happens to get intrigued by the fact that you can ALSO read palms. Inevitably,

she will offer her hand to you. Here’s an example of how you can bring palm reading up:
“You know it’s so interesting how, the other day, while going shopping with my girlfriend, I

ran into one of my sister’s friends who I haven’t seen in over a year. Back then she was having

some challenges in her life and we did a few things… energy work, I read her palm… and it was

cool how she told me how she felt totally alive… totally present... totally different from before.”

Just casually throw it out there as “bait” and watch what happens.

The surrounding story does the work for you. Get good at storytelling. Make sure that you

build an emotional state in the story that is upbeat or exciting in some way. You’re not eagerly

offering your palm reading services to her. Instead, you’re simply telling her a story from your

own experiences that you found interesting and exciting.

Most likely she’ll be intrigued enough by the “bait” that she’ll want you to read her palm too.

Take her palm slowly, confidently and relaxed, with no pressure to perform at all. After all,

you’ll be reading her palm because SHE wants you to, not because you’re overly eager to prove

you have conversational material. You also need to put on a non-serious, fun, no-pressure face

and attitude.
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Had a brutal day in the field today. Did 12 approaches only got 1 number. I twas very tough took a bit of a pounding at times. Didn't feel too well and was low energy which I think really affected me. Also went on a coffee date with a girl I got a number fromt he other day and I think I was a bit tired after doing that.

Also had a chat with one of the girls from the other day I rang her and talked for a bit. Then her boyfriend rand back and said keep away!!

Oh well. I think today I did what you said I shouldnt and went into the busy streets where people were rushing. Looking back my big hits were apporaching moving targets.

Did a bit more direct game today. One woman in a book store was over the moon that I said she was cute. She had a ring on I missed that!! But she was so happy said I had made her day and to keep doing it she loved it.

I going to keep going out in the field as often as possible and take the hits bang on the chin. Im gonna keep going whatever.

Didnt smile enough today and need to find seated or stationary targets.

What I do is 1 approach every 15 mins for 3 hours.

I can see why not many do this though cause when it doesnt go to well it dont half take some sucking up to keep going. After 1 or 2 harsh rejections I really had to put everything in to go again. My whole body was screaming noooooooooo. :D
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completly agree with Shyler, i love that u have the guts.

i know how you feel about the low energy, i myself feel like that sometimes and my approches dont go well.

Have you tryed going out without the expectation of closing. go out and expect to make women smile, happy, and or attracted to you. I do this alot, its how i sometimes boost my very low energy. in return it makes YOU smile/happy!

the way i see it:

START OFF WITH 100% ENERGY!
REJECTION = -10 to 25% ENERGY (till it gets to zero(0))

So make yourself happy/feel good by making others happy/feel good.

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Man, I think your day game approaches are very ballsy and show your ambition on the pua subject. Respect!

I like the concept of pre-opening. I know a guy that usually opens in his day game with an opinion opener which imo does not work in that situation as it really appears to be canned. Thoughts on that one?
Furthermore I like your palm-reading routine. Combined with the suggestions in this thread I think it's gold. Is there any good topic in this forum about palm-reading or a website you could recommend?

Maybe one last thought: try to instantly get a woman, if you feel comfortable enough and think that you have established a minimum of rapport, to have a coffee with you. That way you'll be able to intensify attraction and chances are good that you will have a second date. This is basically what Mystery suggests, namely to have a time bridge of about 20 minutes between meeting a girl and asking her for her number.

Keep it up!
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You're a champion and more people here should try getting out of the house and perfecting their game.

IMO i don't think palm reading is a good DHV for day game. There are plenty of other ways to demo higher value other than that.

And i agree with civilian that you should go out with the intent of brightening someones day. That's why i like the compliment opener. If everything else goes wrong then at least you've made someone a little happier.
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Thnaks for the input guys your comments really help especially after yesterday.

Going to take your advice and go out tommorow and just use a david d opener. "I noticed you over here and had to come and find out a bit more about you" or something similar. A couple of times yesterday I asked for directions and the girls seemed pretty into me playing with hair smiling etc but then when I went and said your pretty cute they said yeh you really wanted directions didnt you and i could tell it completely dlvd me when maybe if i had just been honest I might have had a chance. Also I am going to try and open stationary targets. Most of my biggest problems came with targets that were in busy streets or walking quickly somewhere.

At least im learning!! and for all the pain i went through yesterday im still here and nothing bad has happened to me. One thing I am beginning to notice is that when I have to now go somewhere or do something on my own like walk in a pub to meet someone I have no anxiety at all. I seem to be losing all fear of any situation. Times when i might have been a bit self concious in normal life before seem to have dissapeared.
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Girls know when you approach during the day that you're hitting on her. Getting #'s is also a waste of time, as they usually flake (90% for Mystery as he said). Check out my link, good advice for you and free.

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Ive heard that you shouldnt compliment a woman, but i have a problem with that. I talked to a girl online and she said she fell for her ex because he said all the right things.( probably complimented her?). This guy on montel williams show who slept with many girls told the audience " just tell girls what they wanna hear and they will fall for it" (possibly compliments?) Ohter tv shows i ve heard the male characters say make a women feel special( wouldnt that mean using compliments of some sort?)

So what gives? Need help in california, thanks.
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Compliments have their place and they are not to be over used.

Think of it this way. Make her feel amazing. Make her feel like a princess and then make damb sure she knows that you're not interested in her. She'll be thinking "why doesn't he like me? I'm fun and have great style just like he said."

Also try to avoid complimenting them on their physical characteristics. Compliment them on their style or their mojo or their use of awesome lingo [like cool bananas! (this can also be a chance to neg)]. Don't walk up to a girl and tell her she has pretty eyes!

Compliments can be tricky so just test the water.

Hope this helps.
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Ive heard that you shouldnt compliment a woman, but i have a problem with that. I talked to a girl online and she said she fell for her ex because he said all the right things.( probably complimented her?). This guy on montel williams show who slept with many girls told the audience " just tell girls what they wanna hear and they will fall for it" (possibly compliments?) Ohter tv shows i ve heard the male characters say make a women feel special( wouldnt that mean using compliments of some sort?)

So what gives? Need help in california, thanks.
Check this link, it's about the tpoic "what girls like to hear from men" : what-do-girls-like-to-hear-the-most-fro ... highlight=

Some guys can afford to seduce girls with compliments, but that's because of their status, like famous stars, actors and singers. Even then you should watch with this, as she might urn arrogant and dominant.

secondly, there's is a diffirence between compliments and saying the right things.

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Had a truly terrible day.

Went to the mall. Did a david d approach first got told she had boyfriend fairly nice rejection. Then approached girl in coffe shop but didnt go for number. Then tried to stop 2 girls and they looked at me like i was a creep. Then tried to ask a girl where the coffee shop was she walked off. Then chatted to 2 girls. Asked for directions to starbucks then an opinion opener. Went for the number and she siad " i dont think so and laughed".

6 approaches fuck all

That makes 17 in a row with nothing

To top it off got home thought ill see if a girl ive been messaging on facebook has sent one back. She hadn't. Then I see my ex who i saw for 5 months. She never officially split up with me but who went on holiday to think about things and just got back has put on facebook that she is now in a relationship. Jesus h christ. Talk about hitting bottom.

Its days like this i wish i still drank.
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Had a truly terrible day.

Went to the mall. Did a david d approach first got told she had boyfriend fairly nice rejection. Then approached girl in coffe shop but didnt go for number. Then tried to stop 2 girls and they looked at me like i was a creep. Then tried to ask a girl where the coffee shop was she walked off. Then chatted to 2 girls. Asked for directions to starbucks then an opinion opener. Went for the number and she siad " i dont think so and laughed".

6 approaches fuck all

That makes 17 in a row with nothing

To top it off got home thought ill see if a girl ive been messaging on facebook has sent one back. She hadn't. Then I see my ex who i saw for 5 months. She never officially split up with me but who went on holiday to think about things and just got back has put on facebook that she is now in a relationship. Jesus h christ. Talk about hitting bottom.

Its days like this i wish i still drank.
Did you listen to me at all?
You only get rejected if you give them a chance to REJECT you!!
Reread my previous posts!!!

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How do your standards differ in the day? Women are wearing less makeup, more conservative dress, and are not hidden by the mood-lighting of a nightclub. They are off their game (since female game is largely represented by self-presentation).

You should tone down your game as well. Women don't want their palm read while they're getting coffee. They want to relate to someone on a more authentic level. They want to meet a boyfriend - not a one-night stand. Frame yourself this way.
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