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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:37 pm 
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After a few months of dating, my girlfriend has told me that she still isn't over her ex and that she still feels hurt when she thinks about it.

I can understand why she feels hurt because what he did was quite traumatizing. However, I believe that old feelings should be put aside when you are entering a new relationship; especially when you are months into the new one. The fact that she can't do this slightly bothers me. During the first month her ex asked her to have sex and she accepted because he showed that he still cared about her (won't get into the details). Following that incident, she realized that she was being used again.

Before she told me these new details, she told me that she wanted the relationship between us to continue and she told me how she felt about me. After she told me the details, she reassured that she has no intention of getting back with him and that she would rather be with me.

Now I'll get to the point. First, she isn't over her ex and entered into a relationship with me. Then, she tells me she slept with her ex for one day but hasn't talked to him since. Both of these signs, let alone the first one, is good enough for me to walk away from this relationship. This is unfair to me and I have stated to her that she has to eventually get over it, either with me by her side or not.

Contrary to how I would normally act, I decided to stay with her.
Why? It's because i genuinely care about her and enjoy her company and that feeling is mutual.

You can call me out on "oneitis" or say "it's alpha to walk away" / "just because she told you doesn't make it better" etc., but I made my decision and I stand by it. "Your girlfriend could be cheating on you and you wouldn't even know it" - I can't tell if this fully applies to me, but I guess it somewhat does, except I do know it and it was a one time situation (sounds like an excuse on my part...). I have thought about whether this would constantly enter into my mind. For now, that doesn't seem like it will be the case. My trust is being heavily tested.

Would you stay or leave? Criticize me as well if you want, it will help me think since this situation is quite new for me.

P.S. I would like it if Hobbit and Lode take a look at this. I like you other guys too :)


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:13 pm 
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The decision is really up to you. Think of it from both perspectives:

She cheated on you. OMFG WHAT A SLUT!!!

...but also

She still had feelings for her ex - making her weak to such a proposal. It could happen to anyone, basically.

You could dump her right away because she slept with someone else and betrayed your trust. She doesn't deserve you and your super-awesome alpha male character!!!!

Or... You can stay with her and HELP her get over her ex, at the same time as her love for YOU grows. If you are certain that this was all because she was WEAK and had feelings for her ex, then guide her through this period of "oneitis" and reassure yourself that her feelings for her ex will soon be gone forever - leaving the two of you in paradise.

The choice is yours.

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depending on what "traumatizing" things the ex did to her is related to how hard its gonna be for her to get over it. Sure you can help and stay because you really care for her. But the question is this...How long are you REALLY willing to help her get over him...a week, a month, a year or it could turn out she might never...YOU have ask yourself is this relationship worth MY happiness?...it could turn out that she gets over him only to figure out that you arent really what she wanted in the first place and used you as leverage to get over him in the first place...personally i wouldve ran for the hills as soon as i found out that she cheated so early in the relationship...and sure she had a weak moment but maybe she shouldnt have jumped into another relationship before getting rid of her baggage, its not fair to you...think about it...do you want a relationship OR a project?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:14 am 
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you asked for my opinion so her it goes: i would of left by now. start shopping for other girls.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:43 pm 
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WOW! I can beleve that any of you in here are even sugesting he stay with this women?

I know what your thinking bro..."Im not acf shes just diffrent" lol nice try and although you might love this girl it doesnt mean shit because at the end of the day: you cant trust her, she has no respect for you, and most of all you are not the number one man in her life. Let me let you in on a secret...she keeping you around until she get bored or somthing eles comes along that she wants.

If a women has a high intrest level in you then she wont even think about going out side of the relationship and she deff wont want her ex back. when a guy like you self act the way you are I explain it to him like this:


pretend you have a child and your child acts out what do you do?

A. give the child what it wants, give it candy, tell it how wonderful it is ect ect...

or

B. Scold the child, make it clear that what it did is wrong! and let it know that you wont stand for it!

Right now you have chosen A. and your child is going to grow up to be a monster who will treat your poorly.

Leave her! dont think about it just do it! is is hard? hell yeah its hard! but dont sit around a cry about it, go out and meet other women, take up new hobbies, go to the gym ect ect...and when she asks why you are leaving her tell her that you deserve to be to be the number one man on her life, the only man in her life, and that her cheating heart you and was very disrespectful and then walk!


Now the last thing I would like to say is please take my advice and use it! dont be an afc and wait until somone tells you what you want to hear...do the right thing! I might not have told you what you wanted to hear but I told you what you needed to hear. thers billions of women in the world you will find another who treats you well and not like the 2nd man in her life.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:35 pm 
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pretend you have a child and your child acts out what do you do?

A. give the child what it wants, give it candy, tell it how wonderful it is ect ect...

or

B. Scold the child, make it clear that what it did is wrong! and let it know that you wont stand for it!
The answer is B. You teach the child a lesson so it understands that what it did was WRONG.

... But you don't kick the child out of your house, do you? You STAY with it so it can learn from its mistakes.

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pretend you have a child and your child acts out what do you do?

A. give the child what it wants, give it candy, tell it how wonderful it is ect ect...

or

B. Scold the child, make it clear that what it did is wrong! and let it know that you wont stand for it!
The answer is B. You teach the child a lesson so it understands that what it did was WRONG.

... But you don't kick the child out of your house, do you? You STAY with it so it can learn from its mistakes.
But, the child will always act out more than once.


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PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2010 9:26 am 
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The disrespect was blatant. I'll start off saying what I would personally do because if I dont say this, I'll burst. FUCK HER, DUMP HER ASS.

Now with that out of the way. She was woman enough to admit this, which alot are not. For me, everytime I tried to get near her after she had told me that it would just be a grim reminder and I'd get that sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Her fucking around with her boyfriend is a total lack of respect for you and your relationship. The fact she is hung over for a guy who apparently uses her signals a lack of character.

There's enough grounds there for dismissal to be honest. Unless she crawls around on all fours and serves you on a daily basis...there's nothing "magical" or "special" about your relationship with her and she just made it toxic.

I know you will have a bad taste in your mouth but it would honestly be a respectable move for you to drop her, not just for you but for men in general and down the road you'll realize you did the right thing.

The relationship may be good for you guys now, but what if you two were to get into a fight about something and not talk for a few days...who do you think she's gonna call? All she needs is a little motive and she'll be on his dick because he's always there waiting for her to fall back to him.

Now take what I said as you wish, I really do wish you'll make the decision thats best for you but take to heart what i said. Regardless of the most heartfelt apology she could muster, that man will always be her fall back the second things turn sour in her life and she feels lonely one night.


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Break up.

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Leave. Dump her. Or keep her around until you find someone more interesting if it helps your game, so long as it's not going to cause you problems. Since this isn't a long term relationship, and she cheated on you, she destroyed your moral obligation of being faithful. I don't believe that an eye for an eye gets anyone anywhere--but I do believe that relationships are based on (usually) unspoken norms of behavior between people. She's set the precedent with no history of faithfulness to counterbalance it. Cheating is never acceptable in my book. She's not in a relationship, from the sounds of it, but rather using you to try to get over him. By that, I see no wrong in using her as a launching pad into a real relationship or dating other girls.

As for staying with her in a real relationship? I think that's a non-starter, and will only result in undue pain and baggage that the next girl you date doesn't deserve.


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:48 am 
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It's been a week and I'll update a bit on what's happening. I appreciate all the replies because they've caused me to think.
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Or... You can stay with her and HELP her get over her ex, at the same time as her love for YOU grows.
There is definitely much to be said about this quote.

I'll use Hobbit's points as a source of relation.

4) I expressed everything that night as well as yesterday night. I understand her situation and the reason behind such an emotional tie.

1) I know that this relationship isn't great for me. As for dealing with it healthily, there was little to no pain when she told me these details. However, recently, I can't help but reflect on my choice and how life is unfolding. Do I feel pain now? Sure, but not to the point where my world collapses. Judge my inner game if you want.

2) There was definitely a difference in post talk after that day. The emotional level of our relationship also increased that night. Yesterday, this topic came up again and that emotional level increased once again. Is it worth it to keep going just to feel these emotional boosts? Of course not, but I'm sticking around for my own self.

What I mean by that is that I can learn a lot about myself from this experience.

Recently, two scenarios ran through my head.

One was - "What if she didn't tell me and everything kept going as if nothing happened?". My trust wouldn't have been tested, I would trust her exactly the same way. I would have never found out about the incident, but I don't think that would have been healthy for the relationship. She would still hold the feeling of that guilt and have breakdowns without me knowing the cause (well, blaming it on something else instead of the actual truth). Eventually, this behaviour would probably drive me away. With that being said...

The current scenario, which is the present. Since she told me, does my trust for her increase, decrease, or stay the same? Instead of hiding the details of what happened from me, she decided to risk the relationship and told me the truth. At the same time, what she did would usually call for a decrease in trust let alone a break up. I decided that my trust in her will remain the same - look at the previous scenario (regarding trust) if you don't understand my choice.

Point 3 of Hobbit's post pretty much sums up the outcome of this choice.

I know there's a ton of girls out there who I could be dating instead of spending my time with this one, but I decided to take the gamble of staying with this one. If this turns out to be a mistake, then so be it, I'll deal with it. If this turns out to be something that was worth investing it, then I'll feel satisfied with my choice.


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here is my view IN FOREIGN language ... lol

She's kept being hostage by her thoughts and emotions, probably because she suffered from trauma which is repressed resulting in emotions which are wrongly rationalized. By emotional dependancy he (her ex)took on more parent like role in the former relationship, she also sees him as a victim possible because she performed an action which she deeply regrets , by those repressed emotions she mixes love with regret. When someone feels regret that person will seek ( subconcious/unconcious) out things that will feed this reality by thoughts or objectifications. People who feel guilt and like a victim will probably make social alliances with people who experience the same emotions, commonality and repressed feelings mistaking for love resulting into needyness.
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I can understand why she feels hurt because what he did was quite traumatizing. However, I believe that old feelings should be put aside when you are entering a new relationship; especially when you are months into the new one
yes it's traumatizing , however old feelings will never be put aside - in most cases they will be put aside in concious form. Most people will seek out new girls who have traits of their first ex, either negative or positive - if a girl had 5 boyfriend which all cheated guess how you should project yourself to get the girl.

When people got into problems with their ex they want a boyfriend who is completely different .. let's say the opposite of the projected traits BUT unconciously she replies to people with the same problem like behaviour ( value ). in picking up stage she responds to guys who are assholes and when it gets serious she responds to the concious opposite side of the traits - some form of backward rationalizing.
stage 1 : Unconcious -- > stage 2 : Concious

This is also at work when a girl doesn't take enough time between relationships , lets say emotions arise when experiencing trauma , those are often repressed and not rationalized. There is double grief because first you go through the emotions and after this you go through the concious thought forms. She gone through emotions which are probably backward rationalized in a wrong way and that's why people mistake certain emotions for love and do stupid things because of it.
She probably has gone through stage 1 and now she's in stage 2 because she seriously told you about it so there is some improvement.
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During the first month her ex asked her to have sex and she accepted because he showed that he still cared about her (won't get into the details). Following that incident, she realized that she was being used again.
the 2 stages i noted above are at work here. Why she's is having sex ? because the mind puts in the concept of time , before reasons can be rationalized people are prone to doing stupid shit. ''The primitive brain'' ( think of evolutionary biology ) looks for things to make you survive with the concept of time people often think about their former relationship because they want to experience the good emotions, everything that gives good emotions ( subjective ) is value. But when there is trauma people often are conciously thinking about the former situation, they don't want to experience the same pain so they seek refuge in another reality. This is why some people come up with lies to convince other people of them being victim, when people can't accept the present reality they alter in a few ways ( most unconcious ).
Instinct and evolutionary intelligence is at work here, cokeheads know coke is bad for them but still they perceive it as value.

reliving past thoughts are wrong rationalisations, when it happens people are again confronted with repressed emotions thus they feel bad about it because it is rationalized again. This process often happens a few times before the right realisations are met. Trail and error doesn't always result in the right results, often it's a repeating process. People who are dumped by their ex while still being in love will have the same needy thoughts over and over because it takes time to conciously realize it isn't any good and a waste of time. you have to rationalize conciously why ''this'''doesn't give you the survival value.

personally i don't always believe people who reassure something because trail and error is repeated at unoncious stage and in the concious stage. What she tells you at this moment could be totally different over a few weeks because different rationalisations are met.
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First, she isn't over her ex and entered into a relationship with me. Then, she tells me she slept with her ex for one day but hasn't talked to him since. Both of these signs, let alone the first one, is good enough for me to walk away from this relationship. This is unfair to me and I have stated to her that she has to eventually get over it, either with me by her side or not.
Most behaviour is consistent on short term and i don't believe she talked or slept with him only once. Don't take her reassurance and follow your own plan, be active and not reactive.

her actions are derived from deep psychological issues with the above in mind ( massively simplified ) you can conclude it isn't real love or anything like it, some people go back to their ex and some don't - the question is ; do you want to put the effort in this relationship , there will be lotsa issues and there will be alot of patience required. People in this forum will say she cheated and so forth.... she didn't conciously cheated on you - people have more and different levels of personalities influenced by mental state/health either concious or unconcious and from what i've read in this post and in the private message is that she been through some emotional pain ( unhealthy land )

some things i've read in the message are things you really shouldn't talk about , just let it be - just be there for the woman but don't talk about it. You must be willing to deal with her bagage as well , if you are in college and you are having exams / graduating soon you should put her in the fridge, don't compomise your own reality ,values and future for a single girls and don't get a messiah complex.
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The relationship may be good for you guys now, but what if you two were to get into a fight about something and not talk for a few days...who do you think she's gonna call? All she needs is a little motive and she'll be on his dick because he's always there waiting for her to fall back to him.
that's why you shouldn't talk about it at this moment.

Dumping her and being respectable or being alpha is personally subjective, what is respectable or not is your opnion and value. Don't listen to other people who are forcing their values on you , some of these are opinions and some are not.

you only have one live ... it's not good news to hear all that shit about her ex , but why not keep her ? what do you got to lose ? you don't know where this relationship is getting you since even i see some improvement and honesty , you don't want to waste a good potential relationship.
If things get sour .. so what ? you probably feel fucked up for a month but you learn lessons and you will get better insights in yourself, the winners who live the lifes they want appreciate failure as much as success - for them failure is succes because failure allows growth. If you are clear about where you are and where you want to go it's completely fine. Losers don't take risks out of fear or personal morals which are influenced by fear , if you want something you have to take risks. she ''maybe '' cheated on you but she also cheated on herself, people don't do things which make them feel bad on purpose.

My last relationship had some similarities like yours but in my relationship she wasn't honest etc. still i made the choice with the motivations i mensioned above , maybe fucked up a few things up but i learned shitloads of good things. Those experiences while they have nothing to do with pickup in a direct manner gave me new understanding of people and better insights on myself thus improving my life in general. some things are like rollercoasters ... you know you are going to puke when you are taking the ride but when you've done it your like '' hell yeah i've done it''

the ton of girls out there theory lol
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i know there's a ton of girls out there who I could be dating instead of spending my time with this one
yes and many of them are screwed in the head , sometimes you trade a obvious screwed up girls for a new un-obvious even more screwed/fucked up woman. tons of girls .... like they are all better than the one you have lol .....guys are still looking for the perfect partner - you don't get tons of girls, maybe 10000 girls in your town and 20 % is either slutty or screwed up ... lets say you hook up with 10 girls .... 20 % is 2000 so you have a big chance of meeting a new fucked up girl - o yeah and realize some have weird occupations , some could be whores or erotic dancers. People already got what they want or already got what they have , there are probably numerous unknown STDs which are (not) infectious and unknown to science. if you are afraid of STDs you should realise there is no woman free of germs and other micro-organisms, obvious metaphor......

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Leave her--unless shes paying you to be a care worker to help her get over her ex. Why do it


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there are enough red flags here , but she was honest about it. Why not help her getting over her ex ... and maybe land in a good relationship.
sometimes things that don't make sense at all can work out well , yes it takes more energy and patience and the risk is higher - like i've said if you are doing exams and you cannot have anything else on your mind you should dump her or temporarily cutting off. Guys who give simplified answers probably focus on one thing only --- cheating --- , like different forms of love you have different forms of ''cheating''. If it was neurotic or obsessive she would probably lie about it but she didn't.

If you have enough knowledge about humans in general or a very good relationship with yourself you can deal with this , i can deal with this and many people can - the people that tell you to dump her without explaining just don't want to deal with this out of lack of self-knowledge or lack of understanding human behaviour in general and not to mension the fact that some people really got hurt by previous relationship thus making their opinions very rigid.

there is not such thing as a bad relationship , there are relationships which require more effort and more patience. It's all subjective and based on personal values, people do stupid shit and are dickheads too often but at the end we all forgive eachother.

1. your ego can't stand the fact that she cheated
2. signals show that the person in question can't have a healthy relationship.

alot of good people on this forum but some of them probably cheated once or twice as well - and some of those are telling you to dump her ass while they themselfs probably did get a second chance.
personally .... i would dump her gently because i have too many things going right now and i don't have time for it..... do you have enough time ?

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