Guys,

I bring girls home, or there hanging out and were in my room, we make out, i get her bra off etc, play with her tits, kiss and stuff, but I cant escalate it to her giving me a bj ...as for sex some of these girls are virgins and i have this mentality that it would be next to impossible to fuck them..any ideas?

I just cant get them to suck my dick, if they were sluts it wouldnt be too hard but these girls dont suck dick i guess without being in a relationship or something..

advice, tips??

Tell her you'll work a trade off it's only fair. If you go down on her why can't she on you. If they say no then then quit all types of forplay and watch tv or something. There's a great video on youtube with mystery on this but it deals more with them holding back on sex but I think it applies here. Basically a girl likes pleasure just as much as you do and when you stop everything they're body wonders what the hell just happened I was feeling so good and now I've got nothing. So they want achieve the sense of Euphoria again naturally. It's very important that when you quit you don't act upset or disappointed for the fact she turned you down. When she comes back and asks what's wrong simply say in a nice manner that you respect her decision and "no means no" seeing that she's not going to get this feeling she desires without having to concede to helping you out should get you the result your looking for.

In the meantime I'll try and find that video for you cause he's much better at explaining it than I am.

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~Surreal

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"Why do we fall, sir? So that we might better learn to pick ourselves up."

Here's the videos there is two of them

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~Surreal

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"Why do we fall, sir? So that we might better learn to pick ourselves up."

I had a college girl LMR problem recently. The second video says it all really. Absolutely do not act "pouty" or angry when you do the freeze-out. Absolutelydo act like you understand what she's saying ("no means no"). I had a girl who had no problem taking her shirt off, but for the life of me I could not get her to allow oral or have sex. I literally had her aroused to the point of her panties being wet, so continual arousal is not the answer. Just stop, act like you understand and that you are turned off. It takes will power, but it's your best shot. Watch a movie or do something where you can cuddle, or another thing you can do is discuss what you want to do with her tomorrow or this weekend or whatever.

She told me to take it slow, so I said "I'll go as fast or as slow as you want me to." Was this a good move?

If your in the same boat as the poster that's not bad as long as your combining it with the freeze out. I'm not sure of your situation so it's hard to comment since I'm not aware of your activities. If your trying to f-close or get something from this girl and she's being greedy and only getting pleasure for herself while not satisfying your needs then hit the breaks and do what is described up above. Convey the fact that you don't HAVE to have it and that you have other options. Give us some details so we can give you a better response.

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~Surreal

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"Why do we fall, sir? So that we might better learn to pick ourselves up."

mysterys seems to say... dont disagree with them... gives them something to think negative on you for... agree with them but move on with it... and ya like stated above when doing a freezout act like your respecting her decision

I tend to make the mistake of not completely freezing out. For example, if i try to get her shirt off and she says no or places my hand away, I say somewhere along the lines of me respecting her decision. The only problem is that I just continue to make out with her.