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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:07 pm 
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the zone is great. i've been there before, everything i said was spot on, i could do no wrong. but how do i get there? all the previous times i've been there, it just kind of happened. i notice that around some girls i know, i can get in the zone more easily and frequently. but i don't know what exactly it is that gets me there.

also. i have trouble being in the zone/alpha with a mixed gender group. it's hard to avoid these situations sometime and it really messes me up. i think the primary reason for this is that with the guys, im not usually loud, vocal or alpha unlike when i'm with the girl which i see as inconsistency and it screws me up.


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 Post subject: Re: the zone
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:11 am 
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the zone is great. i've been there before, everything i said was spot on, i could do no wrong. but how do i get there? all the previous times i've been there, it just kind of happened. i notice that around some girls i know, i can get in the zone more easily and frequently. but i don't know what exactly it is that gets me there.

also. i have trouble being in the zone/alpha with a mixed gender group. it's hard to avoid these situations sometime and it really messes me up. i think the primary reason for this is that with the guys, im not usually loud, vocal or alpha unlike when i'm with the girl which i see as inconsistency and it screws me up.
Your first question: it's a release of endorphins, neurotransmitters, and confidence. For example, you can't read a book about being in the zone and be in the zone, you have to feed off stimuli of the environment to be in the zone. It's when you realize you aren't even thinking and "performing" naturally, that you are in the zone...and it only happens after you've been building it up.

Second: Disarming can be done friendly, or it can be done sarcastically and vindictively. Depending on the target's nature (from your cold reads and routines), will give you clues as to what satisfies her with that specific obstacle/AMOG.

What's wrong with your vocals? You said you're usually not loud, which means sometimes you are. Vocal loudness, with same tone, provides an image of confidence. Practice befriending them and leaving the women alone for a few sets/nights. Focus on the guys first, and get them on your good side. If you do slip up, and use pussy-voice or whisper, they'll be more likely to lean in and say "sorry buddy, can you repeat that?" as opposed to "did you say something?". This doesn't work for all obviously. What types of males are you confronting that you are finding trouble with, and what type of trouble is it that is causing you to slip up?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:42 am 
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I know excatly what you mean.It's like you High off of social dynamics you can

see the matrix and everything you say just work's.And everybody espacialey girls

just respond to you, word's just flow out your mouth and your comback's are on

point.Know I don't know excatly how it happen's but i got a pretty good idea.

1being in a positive mood
2just not giving a #@$^%
3by getting into a talkative mood.

So good luck and I hope this help's.Also if you do master how to be in the zone
be a good sport and help a fellow pua out.


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 Post subject: Re: the zone
PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 8:18 am 
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the zone is great. i've been there before, everything i said was spot on, i could do no wrong. but how do i get there? all the previous times i've been there, it just kind of happened. i notice that around some girls i know, i can get in the zone more easily and frequently. but i don't know what exactly it is that gets me there.

also. i have trouble being in the zone/alpha with a mixed gender group. it's hard to avoid these situations sometime and it really messes me up. i think the primary reason for this is that with the guys, im not usually loud, vocal or alpha unlike when i'm with the girl which i see as inconsistency and it screws me up.
Your first question: it's a release of endorphins, neurotransmitters, and confidence. For example, you can't read a book about being in the zone and be in the zone, you have to feed off stimuli of the environment to be in the zone. It's when you realize you aren't even thinking and "performing" naturally, that you are in the zone...and it only happens after you've been building it up.

Second: Disarming can be done friendly, or it can be done sarcastically and vindictively. Depending on the target's nature (from your cold reads and routines), will give you clues as to what satisfies her with that specific obstacle/AMOG.

What's wrong with your vocals? You said you're usually not loud, which means sometimes you are. Vocal loudness, with same tone, provides an image of confidence. Practice befriending them and leaving the women alone for a few sets/nights. Focus on the guys first, and get them on your good side. If you do slip up, and use pussy-voice or whisper, they'll be more likely to lean in and say "sorry buddy, can you repeat that?" as opposed to "did you say something?". This doesn't work for all obviously. What types of males are you confronting that you are finding trouble with, and what type of trouble is it that is causing you to slip up?
I'm still kind of new to this but would building up be opening "warm up" sets? i feel like just talking to some friends who are girls will do just as much good if not more since i'm already more comfortable and confident around them.

disarming is something i haven't really looked into because when it backfires, it's a bitch. i've only really done it when im in the zone.

when i say im usually not loud, i mean that i usually don't have much to say unless i'm gaming a girl. so i'll be really talkative when im alone with the girl. it'll be a good time. but when i'm in a group, i'm less talkative and more quiet. then i get caught up in my thoughts which is bad but its hard to avoid. i end up thinking how this inconsistency would appear to the girl, what i should say to contribute or take control of the conversation etc. and this pretty much screws me


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 Post subject: Re: the zone
PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:52 am 
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I'm still kind of new to this but would building up be opening "warm up" sets? i feel like just talking to some friends who are girls will do just as much good if not more since i'm already more comfortable and confident around them.

disarming is something i haven't really looked into because when it backfires, it's a bitch. i've only really done it when im in the zone.

when i say im usually not loud, i mean that i usually don't have much to say unless i'm gaming a girl. so i'll be really talkative when im alone with the girl. it'll be a good time. but when i'm in a group, i'm less talkative and more quiet. then i get caught up in my thoughts which is bad but its hard to avoid. i end up thinking how this inconsistency would appear to the girl, what i should say to contribute or take control of the conversation etc. and this pretty much screws me
Yes open easy sets at first if you want, mixed is best or three-sets if just girls. A lot of gurus mention 2 sets as being hard, but they sometimes fail to mention WHY. There's a lot of reasons, but one is they can get snappy trying to figure out who is your interest between them, and the tension can build. You don't want to open your friends, you need that "I just talked to a stranger" feeling to ease away, even other guys and bartenders. Get in a social groove, and it'll just flow out naturally from then on.

Disarming requires a good (read GOOD) amount of confidence and trained body language. I've disarmed BF's (and others) before, but it really just depends. For example my last attempt on saturday caused a C&B on a HB with her friend, I went a little overboard and he got hurt (but he was the super sensitive type) and alienated her. You just keep trying, or just ignore the guy if he's trying to be the Alpha, instead of callin' him out as a tool (nicely).

Yeah that quiet thing is lack of congruence and identity, in her eyes. I'm the same as you though, I get lost in my own thoughts, or metaphorically trip over ideas as they come up. I've had to learn to be like a dual-process, what's inside is running, what's outside is running, parallel. I think Savoy said he uses the sound of a phone ringing to a quick body language check and cold read, I try to use any loud impulses (laughter, cough, etc) to snap back into a conversation if I am dragging. If you're lacking stuff to talk about, wait til they are done, or pause and say "that's awesome..." and run off about something that reminded you off, with lots of energy. If you say "hey I also did that the other day..." or something, soft, you get ignored and your confidence just hit the floor. just warm up on "i dont care if i get blown out on these" sets. if you talk like they need to hear what you're saying, they'll listen.


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