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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:27 am 
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Going With the Flow

This is my first major post, hopefully it can help you in some way. This post is most likely useful for newer/less advanced members. It isn't teaching techniques, nor methods. Its purpose is to help give you a more natural, smoother mindset and way of behaving in your interactions.


Being true to yourself.
I've witnessed too many guys asking questions for things that should be lead by their heart. People get into PU thinking that pick up is a strict doctrine to which all actions and choices should follow.
Of course, this is silly for a number of reasons, 1) A lot of these decisions should come down to your own desires. 2) Pick Up is like religion, there are numerous variations/ways of doing things that all equate to the same thing. There is no ONE TRUE way to go about things. 3) Kind of a mix of the previous two points, no technique/method should tell YOU what you should do, when its a question of choice.

An example of this, a fellow PUA I chat with asked me something along the lines of “The redhead I'm gaming asked me if I want to come and meet her at work. Should I go, or would this make me look too available and jumping to her needs? What should I do?”

My answer to this, was Do what you want!

Do what you want:
Now, I wasn't being a twat, or sarcastic. And this guy isn't some full blown AFC, he's actually alright. This question though, perfectly illustrates my point, it's a case of over-thinking and what I like to call 'game induced paranoia'. A lot of rAFC's tend to worry too much about whether or not their actions fit into some kind of model/method or that its not following the 'rules' of the game. Do what you want; trust in your mind and heart to do what you feel. Only YOU know what you want. Not some random pick up method/rules.


Like Water

Water flows. It doesn't fight, it doesn't resist. If an obstacle is to arise, it flows around it. It's smooth. It's natural. It's fluid. It becomes the space it occupies. It can stay still, and calm.


In set.
“Okay, I've opened, ran my opinion opener/routine/stack, I've got their interest, its going well, I've run the cube, 5 lies, aghh what now? I better eject and go learn some more routines and stack some material.” This reminds me of toooo many people. They learn an opener, or two. Learn some kind of bar game or cold reading shit, or magic trick etc. Then they come back saying they don't know what to do next. These people probably will keep coming back until they they have a full routine stack which runs all the way through to the f-close. They seem to feel the need to force the interaction through a series of silly games / routines. I'm not saying this doesn't work, however it wont be very beneficial in the long run. It's is a lot more beneficial and useful to be able to flow naturally in ANY situation. For example, if you notice a girl you like on a bus, or train etc. It's gonna be very odd trying to run 5 lies or the cube in that situation. Also, you're going to be stuck in the situation for a set amount of time, what happens if your material doesn't last the duration of that situation? How many times will you have ran the cube on her by the end of it? I'm guessing, as usual you'd be wondering what to do or say. This is why it makes sense to start dealing with this from the jump. Being able to run game, smoothly, in any given situation.

Another issue that is relevant here, is 'awkward silences'. People always seem so worried about these. The best piece of advice, and most important thing concerning awkward silences, is: BE COMFORTABLE IN THE SITUATION. Seriously, it's as simple as that. It's so simple, yet its very strong. It conveys a strong confidence and comfortableness in situations.
Don't feel the need to break the silence with something amazing either. Just smoothly transition onto a new topic of conversation, un-phased, un-awkward. I am not in anyway condoning being boring, or unexciting. I'm telling you to be smooth and natural in your interactions.


In your actions.
Don't stagnate.
Don't stand there doing nothing. Be animated, be fluid. Do NOT be stiff or rigid. Stiff and unyielding is the way of death. Be like water and relax into any environment you're in. When resting, be calm be tranquil. Be relaxed. Be at ease, be comfortable. When moving, be fluid, be smooth, be natural.


In conversation
When you're free to flow like water, you're free to communicate naturally. Imagine water running across sand. If you want to change the direction, you carve a new valley into the sand, and the water follows smoothly, naturally. Create too many new valleys, and the water will run thin, and dry. Trying to force the water in another direction will just splash it and just disrupts the flow. Learn to be able to transition smoothly from thread to thread. Learn to allow a thread to flow, creating too many threads can cause the conversation to run thin and lack substance. Too many drastic forceful attempts to change the conversation can disrupt the flow of things.


In thinking
Let your thoughts flow freely.
Forget about fighting life or trying to be something else; rather allow yourself to be like the material comprises every aspect of your physical being. Too much 'game' material can cause you to continuously second guess yourself and mess up the flow of your interactions, usually causing you to panic and eject from fear of 'messing up'. Overfilled, the cupped hand spills; Cramming your head full of Pick Up material can easily mess you up in field, especially when one method in some way contradicts an alternative one. Also, spending too much time thinking about the rules of your method interupts your thought flow, and the physical side of the interaction (usually by creating this weird awkwardness on your part, through your words and body language.



Apologies for the poor writing quality of this post. I have possibly phrased a few things slightly wrong. But this post needed to be finished.

I hope this can help someone, in some way. Even if it helps just one person, in just the smallest of ways. It has served its purpose.

Be water, my friends...


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i like you signature.


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Great post LB ! :)

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Very good post! This is something that this forum really needs when the beginners are being confused by all the information and tactics availeble here!
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Great post thank you


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awesome post mate,

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An example of this, a fellow PUA I chat with asked me something along the lines of “The redhead I'm gaming asked me if I want to come and meet her at work. Should I go, or would this make me look too available and jumping to her needs? What should I do?”

My answer to this, was Do what you want!
I like most of the post, and I get it. I worry though that this advice can easily backfire for someone who might not be too experienced. If an rAFC reads this, and they haven't really integrated a lot of alpha behaviour, strong framing, etc. into their game, then their natural instinct, what they want to do, will be to go right up to the girl and supplicate the shit out of themselves, trying to be super nice and eager to please her. It's only when you have some natural game, some inner core confidence, and an alpha mentality, can you really trust yourself to "do what you want." Otherwise you'll end up backsliding into the same AFC behaviours we all teach guys to avoid.


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An example of this, a fellow PUA I chat with asked me something along the lines of “The redhead I'm gaming asked me if I want to come and meet her at work. Should I go, or would this make me look too available and jumping to her needs? What should I do?”

My answer to this, was Do what you want!
I like most of the post, and I get it. I worry though that this advice can easily backfire for someone who might not be too experienced. If an rAFC reads this, and they haven't really integrated a lot of alpha behaviour, strong framing, etc. into their game, then their natural instinct, what they want to do, will be to go right up to the girl and supplicate the shit out of themselves, trying to be super nice and eager to please her. It's only when you have some natural game, some inner core confidence, and an alpha mentality, can you really trust yourself to "do what you want." Otherwise you'll end up backsliding into the same AFC behaviours we all teach guys to avoid.
I was aware of this when I wrote it. The thing is, it's more dependant on the situation. If you want to tell a girl shes hot, you can tell her shes hot. Just do it in a very matter of fact way. Also, 'doing what you want' is quite an alpha trait. Chasing a chick and suplicating, should feel lame and should feel wrong. Most people know this, even the most AFC of AFCs are able to tell how lame it is if they step back and look at it.
The other point of this is, if they asked themself 'what do I want?' then the chances are that they dont want to be chasing a girl trying to get her. So if they are supplicating in the first place, it is still probably not what they want.

My original post was going to go into a lot more depth, but I didn't want to overload with info. I have more posts to come which cover other issues, and I'll likely end up compiling them together at some point.

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An example of this, a fellow PUA I chat with asked me something along the lines of “The redhead I'm gaming asked me if I want to come and meet her at work. Should I go, or would this make me look too available and jumping to her needs? What should I do?”

My answer to this, was Do what you want!
I like most of the post, and I get it. I worry though that this advice can easily backfire for someone who might not be too experienced. If an rAFC reads this, and they haven't really integrated a lot of alpha behaviour, strong framing, etc. into their game, then their natural instinct, what they want to do, will be to go right up to the girl and supplicate the shit out of themselves, trying to be super nice and eager to please her. It's only when you have some natural game, some inner core confidence, and an alpha mentality, can you really trust yourself to "do what you want." Otherwise you'll end up backsliding into the same AFC behaviours we all teach guys to avoid.
I was aware of this when I wrote it. The thing is, it's more dependant on the situation. If you want to tell a girl shes hot, you can tell her shes hot. Just do it in a very matter of fact way. Also, 'doing what you want' is quite an alpha trait. Chasing a chick and suplicating, should feel lame and should feel wrong. Most people know this, even the most AFC of AFCs are able to tell how lame it is if they step back and look at it.
The other point of this is, if they asked themself 'what do I want?' then the chances are that they dont want to be chasing a girl trying to get her. So if they are supplicating in the first place, it is still probably not what they want.

My original post was going to go into a lot more depth, but I didn't want to overload with info. I have more posts to come which cover other issues, and I'll likely end up compiling them together at some point.

~Liquid Blend
Right, but even so, there are some things we know work, such as negging or push/pull, which we don't necessarily want to do, but which do work. If I'm doing well with a girl, I want to get her home and fuck her, but I can't just do what I might "want" and say "hey let's go fuck." I have to comfort build and kino escalate and all that other shit first. Doing something to risk losing a girl by telling her to get off me, or throwing her hand away, or telling her she has a bit of fluff in her hair, are not things I naturally want to do. They are things I get used to doing because I know they generate attraction. What I actually "want" to do is keep touching her, and keep an interaction going without breaking rapport. But I know what I HAVE to do if I want to keep moving forward.


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Doing something to risk losing a girl by telling her to get off me, or throwing her hand away, or telling her she has a bit of fluff in her hair, are not things I naturally want to do.
Stop using the mystery method then.

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...and you don't HAVE to do anything.

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Great Post LB, Love it!!

Keep up the good work!

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Doing something to risk losing a girl by telling her to get off me, or throwing her hand away, or telling her she has a bit of fluff in her hair, are not things I naturally want to do.
Stop using the mystery method then.

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Why would he stop doing something that's getting hot girls into his bed?


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Doing something to risk losing a girl by telling her to get off me, or throwing her hand away, or telling her she has a bit of fluff in her hair, are not things I naturally want to do.
Stop using the mystery method then.

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Why would he stop doing something that's getting hot girls into his bed?
Mystery method isn't the only method out there that works. And if he doesn't want to be doing the things it tells him to do, then he should find a method that he enjoys doing. I enjoy interacting with chicks, and they enjoy interacting with me. This seems to work for me... or maybe I should start doing things I really hate because it works, huh? :roll:

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