haha no prob man u deserve em, but what kinda DHV story would you incorporate in there, im not too sure what id put after being told im "cute" or w.e.... lol i take it you want me to "flirt" aka make something up am i right??

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I don't want you to make anything up actually. The problem with that is when she gets you in person you risk being incongruent with who we tell her we are. If she starts to pickup on that with her intuition then she gets an uneasy feeling and we're sunk.

With that being said take stories from your life and incorporate DHV spikes with them. Here are some questions to ask yourself to help you find stories.

Have you ever done anything considered adventurous?

Have a funny story about you or a friend?

Ever helped out a friend or family member in need?

Ever helped out a friend that's a girl?

Have you done anything most people don't get to do or haven't done?

Think of the answers to these and if there are "interesting" then you can use them. If a girl was involved in the story that's a pre-selection spike.

If you helped out a friend or loved one that's a protector of loved ones spike.

Show that you lead your social circle, that's leader of men.

I think you see where I'm going with this. Tell your stories. They don't have to be the best stories in the world just interesting stuff. Then find ways to bring in the subtle DHV spikes to create the attraction. So yes, "Flirt" some but use your stories. =)

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haha roger that. yea, this girl isnt rele my cup of tea... im not gonna reply just for the fact im trying to focus on other things and i KNOW if i reply and start talking to her my add will kick in and shell take away of what i need to keep my mind on... haha

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LOL

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lmao, well instead of studying for my big math test that is today, i messaged her back yesterday for shits and giggles with a total asshole reply lol it went like this and i got no reply but she def. read it lmfao!

"haha well thanks!! its funny you messaged me saying that cause like a week before my boys and i were talkin and i was tellin them about all the millions of women that message me on myspace daily telling me how attractive I am. its rather flattering really.
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From: *Girl*
Date: Jan 19, 2009 11:38 PM


i just thought that you were really cute "



,...... and well, thats what happens when you dont wanna study and wanna experiment on pullin a major asshole response outta your ass on some girl you really dont care what happens lol!!

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SX / 19yrs young / Dayton, Oh.

Like I said SX that if you kept going cocky funny you'd quickly cross the line to "arrogant." Oh well, since you didn't care what happens move on.

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As one of the occasional disadvantages with using online, is guys may often be unaware they're writing to a female with a fake profile, or if a female seems real and a guy wants to know if she's actually on a site to meet and not be an attention whore, as some women online often are, is it wise to ask women in your opening message (as well as asking it to women with have no photos up) whose profile's face and body photos, clearly show they're a HB8, 8.5, 9 or 9.5, an open ended question along the lines of 'So what made you want join the site and how have you found the site so far, since you've joined ? You don't appear as someone who'd need to use a dating site ?'.

It's avoiding being AFC, by not saying 'you're so beautiful', as other guys would do. I wouldn't make that line or any variation of it, the very first line of my opening message, but would probably put in the middle, or
at the end of an opening message. The question is qualification oriented, but it's also open ended, as answering it properly requires one to say more than 3 or 4 words. From experience, if a female answers it with as few words as possible and / or doesn't even make the effort to answer it, that and also very bad grammar and spelling, quickly tells me it's probably a fake profile created by either the site, or by a guy pretending to be a chick.

If you reckon it's unwise asking something like that until (or if) a guy meets a lady from online face to face, or that it'd be wiser to wait to ask that in a 2nd message instead if a lady responds back, please let me know. Bear in mind, that unlike some guys I detest using instant messaging, where lots of questions would get asked and would say 'give me a call if you want to meet for a drink somewhere'. Of course a guy asking that, would have to give his own response to the question and my second question is, in justifying why a guy is using a dating site, should a guy give his answer at the same time, or wait for the lady to give her response first. I know an opening message shouldn't have lots of questions in it and that's probably the only one I'd ask. The rest of my opening message would be tailored to what the lady has said, if a guy has anything decent to go by. If it's a stupid, boring 2 line profile, I have to go with a a scripted message .

If you reckon it's a good question, what are your best wording recommendations you've used when you've got asked why you joined and are using a dating site you're registered on, that shows you also socialise in real life, with your answer simultaneously DHVing and creating comfort, instead of coming across as a creepy nerdy keyboard jockey guy.

I realise there's some attractive women who do say in the wording of their profile, why they've joined a site, so if they do I don't bother asking, but most women are fairly lazy with writing their profile and write as little as 1 - 3 lines that don't give you anything to go by, so they don't state why they're on a site. I can understand, as more attractive HB8 - 9.5 women who are for real, may feel (and they're right) 'I'm hot, so why do I need to even bother putting a lot of thought in writing a couple short paragraphs about myself'.

I'm not really sure of your question but if you are looking for suggestions I can help with that. Let's take this a piece at a time, shall we?
Some women do use fake profiles that is true. I guess it is possible there are some attention seekers on the site as well. I'm not sure that this question could truly expose that intention the way you describe it. I grant you it's a good question to ask though, and women have been asking it of guys for some time.

It doesn't matter if you appear as someone who's using a dating site. You're both on there! You have no less value...

How much research have you done on this. For how long? How did you get the girl to tell you they had a fake profile? Tell us about your measurable data. Or is this just your perception/opinion?

I know you have good intention and I don't mean to give you such a hard time but the advice I give I try to back with facts. I'd really hate for someone to get a piece of bad advice and loose the girl.
Face to Face would be a better place to ask why she was on the site or what made her go tot he site. This way you can see the "way" she responds to you.
Why do you detest this? It's a good way to stair step the amount of comfort being built and a good middle step from email to the phone. Sure, it's possible to skip it but there is nothing wrong with it.
You're overthinking this. It really doesn't matter either way. You're both on the site.
This usually doesn't work well as many people will attest to. When you taylor to her profile you are just starting out building comfort more so because you are trying to find common ground. That's okay but the problem is most of those girls can't remember what they wrote past a few weeks.

Hell, I do this all the time and I could vaguely tell you what I wrote on my profile. When you email that stuff it looses its strategic meaning because she can't remember it most of the time. Although a good idea, it hasn't produced very good results from my own experience and others I have spoken with.
Woah horse! Remember you are both on the site. It's not a DLV to be on a dating site. Shit, there are millions of people on them. Almost all the girls I know are on one site or another.

There are lots of ways to respond to this but the easiest way is just to be honest. If you want to go through the lengthy process of inserting DHV spikes to value shift and create comfort then thats cool. You could say something like:

My past girlfriend told me about this site and some success she had on it. Since I am typically so busy I don't get a chance to always meet people the traditional way like a bar. Who wants that anyway? I'm sure you understand. What persuaded you to join the site?
That's one way to do it. Who cares why they joined. She's a girl on the site and she's there for us to meet. I typically don't care why a set has decided to go to the club I'm at, I just get the girl like usual.

Don't get too hung up on this man. It can be important but don't overthink it.

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I got the following situation with a girl i met on a chatroom. She is from another state but theres possibility for her to come to my state because she has family here.
When i started i didnt know about PU nor anything. Now that i do im going to start using the tools. She was just telling me about how her ex called her for her bday and that another guy may go visit her. So, how do i go with making her want me? I tried the other guys seem like they were gonna hurt her. She still has no idea of my intentions though. I also im afraid i will turn into a friend, status which i wont be able to take away easly.
Anyy tips? Thanks.

So, I met this girl at a sex toy party and I was just not in the mood to do game because I had some stuff on my mind. Anyhow we never told each other are names and talked in a small group for a while about random stuff. The next day I check my facebook and somehow she found me, so now we talk a little and I used some opinion openers. Im making plans to go snowboarding with her next week. Now should I be doing straight openers or is the near fact she found out my name by hearing other people say it and go threw a friend of a friend to find me a big IOI? Also any online game tips will be greatly appreciated.

Jon, for those guys here using online, who are older or younger than most others and feel inner game related insecurities about that, I read someone earlier ask about age. Many women online do seem to use age as a quick disqualifier - not that they don't in real life of course. Like a guy writes to a lady with age preferences in her profile {that he's outside of} and she responds like : 1} 'sorry, you're too old for me',
2} 'you didn't read my profile properly. Did you read my age preferences', 3} 'guys who are over 30, stop messaging me, like my profile says', 4} or of course not even replying.

While reading through all of Sinn's interesting posts on this forum {I'm also reading all of yours over the course of a few months, which are greater} a few days ago, a few months ago he said {the comment is below} while he normally wouldn't advocate lying, he thinks age is the only thing guys should lie about to women - for guys who are slightly younger or older than the guys a lady in real life and presumably online as well, says she wants to meet.

If your comment to this is 'yes dude, but with lying about your age as an experiment, what if you met any females from online and in real life, that you hit it off with, possibly sexually. At some point you'd have to come clean'. I totally agree. For those guys who don't look their age
or are younger, but can look slightly older, they can say they did it as an experiment to prove a point, about how socially conditioned many women are about age. If the lady dumps them, it's her loss and a guy can move on. Sinn has a fairly low opinion of using online. In another earlier foum post he likens online game to 'trying to shoot fish in a barrel with a bazooka'. In other words, it's a numbers game and he's correct.


'Age is literally the only thing I recommend lying about. The reason being, girls can and will try disqualifying you about it. It's much harder being younger and trying to pick up girls who are older. Especially if you're under 21 in the US and they're over. So the basic formula to avoid this problem is to say 'guess' when women ask how old you are. They'll guess the age they want you to be, then you can go over the top and exclaim how amazing it is she knew that. If you start dating her and she ever brings it up again, you can simply tease her for being naive and tell her your real age'.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. "It's easier to start over than fix present situations, in most cases."

When you go through the various online methods you need to start building attraction from the beginning by inserting various DHV spikes in your messages.

You can also use false disqualifiers to create a "push/pull" effect so that you are creating attraction as well.

You also need to build and establish comfort with her so that you can escalate to getting her IM contact info and her phone number, and eventually a date.

If you start doing this all now it's not going to be "congruent" with the person you started out as talking to her. Women have great intuition and will recognize this and become leary of you. This is why my first statement holds true.

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Why are you using openers at all? You already talked at the party so, she is opened. Even more so she found you on Facebook and added you which is a large Indicator of Interest. Not to mention you have plans with her already. There is no reason to go back to square 1 with openers, just start building attraction.

The point of Online Game is to go from meeting someone that you don't know at all online to getting a date. If you already know the person in some regard or have met then it's more of a warm approach. You actually already have a date so I'm not sure where reverting back to "online game" will help you.

The thing you need to concentrate on is building attraction, kino escalation, and getting her phone number so you can follow up with her later. You're on the right path man! Just keep walking on it.

Jon

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That's true. Online Game is a lot like Day Game in a sense that it's slower and you're judged a lot harsher up front. Women are in essence judging a book by its cover. A lot of time that means people get discremenated based on stupid things.
I love reading Sinn's work actually. I have been reading his blog and posts for some time now. His opinions of Online Game are pretty low. It is a numbers game in many respects. Just like for the aspiring PUA in field is a numbers game.

As you get better with t his stuff then it takes less of the numbers to do what you want. However, it still requries a bit of patience and being proactive. This is why I advocate constantly going out as well, and just doing Online Game as a side project. This should not be someone's primary focus.

I know first hand what happens when you do that. You loose your social skills and calibration that you developed when in field. You need these when you go on your dates with people you meet online.
This is true. Age is one of those things that I'm really in a grey area on to be honest. I think it's bullshit that guys and even I have been judged for my age and ruled out that way. The key is figuring out what to set your age on your profiles. On dating sites I wouldn't use 99 as you won't return in any search results that she'll see. On facebook or myspace you could do this and make her guess.

My default position is not lying to the girl if you are asked a 'direct' question. However, there is "flirting" like you mentioned with having her guess and assume your age is something different than it is. You are not responsible for her assumption.

Great Point Greg007

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I used the "tell me three things about you" opener and got back, "I am not sure how to answer that question, was it suppose to be sarcastic?"

How should I respond?