Hey,im new and ive desided getting this down is one of my goals in life.I have a question and been thinking about the answer since it happened a few hours ago,until post.I used the who lies more opener(that was my aim,just to open,the way im thinking about doing this whole thing is step by step getting the openers down then adding on another routeen etc,etc,like building ) and as I was ejecting(pleasure meeting you) I got pulled back by one of the hbs in the 3 set,she said did you cheat on your girlfriend or something?I really want to no what she ment by this?wasnt the opener spontanious enough,I actually thorght it was the best it could of been,over the shoulder,clear voice(heared), then turned towards the set,engaged the whole group,glanced between eye contract, im sure everything was there time constrant,then the who lies more men or women bit ?they gave there opinion one asked a question although i didnt answer it because i thought it was a shit test to kock me down.and i thought i would of lost the set by just talking to the one rolled into the other part of the opener,simular senareo,gave my reason.What is the meaning behind this question guys?(did you cheat on your girlfriend or something)And if you can give me some feed back on how this could of been better or added bits in between let me no.im really trying to understand the meaning behind all this.wile learning much appresiated ...... its me learning with a friend that needs inner game(im trying to help him,he freezes up) posting to you guy.MPUAFORUM.COM rules

are you serious? tuff love time, YOUR THINKING INTO IT TO MUCH

well anyways, just cause you asked a question doesnt mean there is a guarenteed typical response, the girl just ask did you cheat, probably cause she was asking a genuine question and was curious to know whether or not YOU CHEATED...there was no hidden meaning behind her question.........if someone asked you a question what would you do??
hmmm probably anwser and im guessing my friend that did you cheat on yoru girlfriend was her anwser or response to your question, cause she wanted to know your reason for asking the question......

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Yeah I'd just say it was a typical response to a question like that. Nothing really out of the ordinary. You could've said something like wow, jumping to conclusions, all I wanted was an opinion. Now I'm going to get interviewed? Make sure you're smiling though and hinting sarcasm.

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well if you ejected yourself and she pulls you back in i consider that an IoI reguardless of the question, she was curious about why you ask the question. In that situation i would of went with a str8 answer and since she pulled you back you should of ran another routine.

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To mupa saviour,to me if someone asked me a question, responed to it, although how would i answer?, I could answer a question in a normal way,in this case "no" doesnt sound very persuasive "no i dont have a girlfriend" If I went with one of these I would of just told the whole set im not pre-selected(i didnt have any women, rolling with me at the time) telling me how it is,is what i want!!. I do think alot into it because I want to understand it and make my own stuff up( I believe to be ahead of the game you need to understand it that one day the game is going to be so popular you need to)Anyway were getting into a load of banter. I appresiat your views mupa saviour

To Gandler the cockey and funny response sounds abit of me, at times.As soon as you open a set( I gavour that you've tryed it)responding this way is it postive? is it showig of your witty sense of humar so you can get to the next and the next step or do you do cocky funny later when they get to no you?or is it just straight in im me like it or not?I appresiat your views also Gandler

To nonstopreaper a pua would of considerd that as an IOI,reguardless of the question.I agree with that,thats positive mind thinking,its on.After answering her question,(did I just jump frow her hop?)
I get that routeens get you to the next step.can you shear any textbook examples of what you would of done after the pull back?.I appresiat your views aswell nonstopreaper.

It's a positive way to come across to the girls.. Acting this way is showing that you are not intimidated by them. Its like when you go out on a first date, most guys think they have to ask the general questions and be very cautious. Think of the best times you've had with a girl. You acted like you've known her forever and that she is already your girlfriend. It builds comfort extremely fast.

As to her response she'll probably be taken aback and give you a simple no.. or start joking. I would go with something else like hey how about I interview you about something and use an opinion opener like.. "ok this is a serious question, -build up the question- then say do you floss before you brush or brush then floss." This is almost garaunteed to get a laugh.. You just want to keep them guesssing. But always be geniune.

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Gander next time I try the approach im goner go with the textbook opener,as soon as theres one of these questions curious,shit test what ever it may be, use the cocky funny and see how well that gets me,use another routeen,opener.then im goner eject.what about the negs?

Negs I use on the fly sort of.. you have to analyze the person and find something that fits them.. this is where the time comes in handy you have had with her opening her. During this time I'll find something to bust on her about. One that's kind of a fall back on for me is I like the shoes "oh thanks!" yeah they look comfortable and smile

This will get a reaction out of her and sometimes start a conversation about shoes.. If she gets too into the conversation say whoa prom queen and bring her back down.

You understand what I mean? if she says one thing she goes down a path and then you can choose which path to steer her. It's like starting at the bottom a tree and working up through a branch and all that if that makes sense.

I think it's called quantum theory. They're just a lot of ways a conversation can be steered. Negs are just on the fly for me. If this is helping at all.. If you want more of an explination I'll PM you and explain it in better detail

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well i would of said

NonStop: it had nothing to do with cheating on g/fs or what not. I just Figured you ladies are intellegent and would give me good feedback.
HB#: oh
NonStop: Do i look like a guy that would cheat on his G/F? i'll except any answer aslong as its a No.
*before she can answer you* say
NonStop: Dont tell me you're one of those Jealous psycho type! *funny expression*
HB#: No i'm not
NonStop: Give me one reason to make me beleive you.

*now this is where you Eject yourself*
NonStop: Hey i gotta get back to my friends it was nice talking to you

Now here you got 2 choice A)just walk away for reals B) walk away and come back C) she stop you agian

Choice B if you decided to come back

NonStop: I almost forgot *looks at the girl* I'm still waiting on your answer.

If she answer you then your game.(or Choice C) You can Run some canned Routines here

Something along that line. Even thought if you got shut out moments later you didnt give up. I try not to Do things by text or Canned Routine. I wanna use them as ideas and make it work in my Situation.

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Gander i get the rough idea il check out in more detail the quantum theory so you dont have to explain it step by step to me so i can get the full understanding of it.Just out of curiosity how did you learn and how long you been in the game for ?

Hey man I love talking about ideas.. it sparks new ones for me but check your inbox I'll explain it better because quantum theory really isn't involved in PU just the options..

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