If anyone read from my previous post, I had a girl who was giving me another chance to get to know her. We had a long talk tonight and I have built the comfort back, she isnt afraid of me anymore, so thats good. We were infact laughing about the whole thing tonight, so I overcame that obstacle. Phew.

Turns out that another guy who is showing interest in her has come onto the scene. He is a classic example of C&F, and he is that way naturally I think. I need some tips guys, I am competing with this guy for the potential of being with this girl. What do you suggest I do to beat him at his game? If we happen to all be together sometime (At work possibly.) How do I become more alpha male? He is aggressive and a little pushy with other guys, im actually a little intimidated.

Questions:
1. If me and the girl go out somewhere, how can I show her I have a higher social value than he does when he is with her?

2. How do I become more alpha male when I am around him and possibly disarm him. I think he is an AMOG, and this could be potentially tough.

3. I have never done any gimicks such as palmistry or handwriting analysis, ect. Is it too late to do this now? Also, what forms of kino do you suggest now? We made out once at her house before, but she said she felt bad about it because she was still with her boyfriend, but whatever.

4. I am not the most funny guy, when the joke or moment is there I can usually make people laugh a lot, but I am not the kind of guy to keep people laughing. How do I improve on this, or is being funny just something you have or you dont have?

Also, if we all go out. (The target and her friends, as well as me and the other guy) would it be useful to have a female pivot? I have one who may help, is this a good idea? How can I use this pivot to my advantage to create jealousy and competition for my attention, isolating the other guy out of the picture?

If the pivot knows that you like the target and is willing to help you then when u all go out together, just tell the pivot not to show interest in the AMOG but to you couse that way you look more important than the other guy. Of course just be confident about everything you say. Be playful i guess and pay more attention to the pivot and the AMOG, get their interest and that way the target will be a bit jelouse...

I hope I helped at least a little...
good luck...

p.s.: maybe u should just beat the shit out of the AMOG so he knows whos the boss... just joking

see ya

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i'm a little new to the forum, BUT i am not new to the world of sales, and if theres one thing i know, its how to disarm a pushy and potentially dangerous person. the trick is taking him out of his comfort zone. this can be done without saying a word to him by using non-verbal cues. ok so step one, handshaking, when you shake his hand (try to do this as it will show him whose boss) make sure his hand is facing up (palm up) and your hand face down (palm down). this will show him that you are dominant over him. he will try to force your hand up, so put your other hand on top his to shift him. other things you can do is when you talk, invade his personal space, stand close to him, not so close that he will accuse you of being gay, but close enough that he needs to back up ever so slighty to reenter the comfort zone. hands on your hips, or in your belt loops, will send signals of aggressiveness, most people will feel put off by these things, and move into a defensive stance, arms crossed, ankles locked. when he takes this position you've won, sit back and push him, cause hes lost his control. if he also takes a dominant position, you can easily break his posqture by handing him something, which will cause him to move his hands off his hips. anyway, theres more, but i hope this helps for now

The best way to deal with this is to organize whatever activity the 3 or 4 of you will be doing.

That way you'll be able to naturally take the lead and be more "alpha"

I'd say you don't really need to worry about being higher value or trying to compete with the other guy. Instead focus on the girl. There's one thing that gets you girls and that's the way you make them feel.

At this point you need to figure out ways to qualify her and start building sexual tension. There's a ton of resources out there for that. Focus on escalating the interaction with her as opposed to worrying about what the guy is doing.

As far as humor goes I'd say make sure you watch a lot of stand up comedy. You'll start to get a feel for jokes and timing and then it's up to you. One of the biggest reasons people aren't funny, is because they are afraid to try.

S

Completely agree with setting up the date. You are the host, the natural leader.

At the same time, is something about all this uncomforting? I'm not saying I can't find myself in the same situations, but something about all this for one girl seems extraordinary to me. Again, not passing judgment, I do the same thing. But looking at it from 3rd person perspective seems a bit odd... anyone else think so?

If the other guy is the AMOG and your target likes you both, then having the pivot and not paying attention to your girl might not work. She may just go for the other guy if he can fill the void of you not paying attention to her.

The whole organizing the activity is actually a great idea. Preferably something you are good at and the other guy isn't if that is possible.

As far as this being a lot of effort for one girl... It can be worth it. I agree some of the methods and techniques seem downright sketchy at times but women are playing games all the time too they just aren't this scientific about it. They just try to follow the garbage they read about in Cosmo which isn't based in reality.

Well, just because girls play games doesn't mean we should put forth such effort. I don't think one justifies the other. I agree that, when they do play games, yes they do it on a less conscoius level. Even guys, when I describe exactly what it is I'm doing, are amazed at how methodical PUA is. Nevertheless, something about this reminds me of a point where I cared FAR too much and it made me miserable. I'm not saying the OP is in those same shoes, but this just struck me as that.

This is the best AMOG routine I have heard yet. I have unconsciously been doing this to AMOG's and it has been working. Although I am not aggressive enough about it that they will consciously register it and find cause for hostility, since whenever I am talking to the AMOG I am trying to get to be his friend through showing that I am the alpha and that I would be a valuable ally. You don't want to be an arrogant prick to the AMOG because he will just try to do this back to you and you will end up being more concentrated on him than the task at hand. Also, the girl will spot this.

But all that body language is great, pair it with running game on him (to befriend him, not fuck him) and I think that would be a formidable routine, espescially handing him something. If it is interesting, he'll look at it and then he has invested in it and in you. Bam.

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