Hey,

Question about this show - wtf????

Most of the time they go in with lines like "hey you are so beautiful " and "can I buy you a drink? " they never open from behind the shoulder, they always open the target... in other words : they are doing everything we "learn " NOT to do. So how come they keep getting phone numbers and why the hell aren't they playing solid game??? Should we be watching this show?
I feel like its working against everything I have been learning ...

I heard the entire show is fake and the women inside were paid. At least the targets were. But that's what people say. I don't know for sure. So take that with a grain of salt.

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these guys are amogs and there not trained in pua there naturalist they just do it old school by going up to a girl and opening not caring what happens and it works cause they have the confidence to back it up and the show picks the best lookin guys to come on so the show can be succefull in mysteries vh1 show he picked guys who needed to learn how to be confident who had no confidence or experience the vip is the show u go one after u becom a mpua

Have you ever considered the possibility that your "theory" of what's "right" and "wrong," which seems to be the mystery method based on what you said, might actually just be one person's view on how to pick up women? Maybe most guys can get laid just fine without using it, and maybe there are other theories about how to pick up women that are even better, simpler, or more suited to the individual's personality?

Have you tried actually opening with a compliment and seeing what happens? Have you tried just buying a girl a drink at some point? Have you considered that maybe "solid game" has more to do with what comes AFTER the opener, how you project yourself, your bodlanguage, tonality, eye contact, and sexual escalation, and less to do with the words you actually say?

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Yes, I did. MM works, period.

Yesterday I told a girl not to touch me, she kept opening me all night. If I would buy her a drink she wouldn't have looked in my direction.

But I'll try opening with a compliment tonight, ill see how it works.

So does doing other stuff. MM is not some holy grail or anything, far from it.

As far as Keys to the VIP goes, take the show with a grain of salt. It is reality tv and such the possibility of it being stage is high.

i watched the episodes and i found them entertaining but they are not as instructional or rather as educational as the pick up artist tv show. Not quite sure if any/everything was staged because there were plenty of guys that got shot down/scammed for drinks.

it showed how some guys CAN get by just on looks but at the same time many girls didn't find them as interesting and they lost to someone else with better game or a complete package.

about certain methods working over others, as i have mentioned in another thread. there will never be one book that covers all approaches. different methods are required for different people. it is up to the person to decide which approach works for the situation.

I've seen an interview with Cajun from Lovesystems who was in season 2 of the show and he said it was legit. The feedback isn't live and maybe a thing or two gets cut out, but that's it.

I like the show and you're right about some guys having some weak ass game, but that's also to learn from. Remember you won't have to do everything perfect in order to get results, however the more you succeed in doing it the 'right' way, the better the results are and that's what also shows in this tv show.
You should decide for yourself who you'll learn from and who you'll laugh at. Personally I really loved Rob aka 'Fromeo', Cajun and the Australian guy. There's also some Jock who has really tight game. Should def check all episodes out, but also for the fun of it.

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Optimistic?

I think people from all reality shows say that. I mean the people from the Jersey Shore say its real and yet its been proven otherwise. I just have my doubts with this show thats all.

my fave was cobra commander and max powers episodes because they proved to be very funny.

as far as jersey shore, everything seems legit.. and coming from jersey I can tell you how scary that is lol. YES there is that much drama, drunken nights and girls dropping pants at seaside.

Like someone said, that is the old school. Why it works? The guys who get results on that show have few traits in common. They don't freeze around girls, they have confidence, they can handle sexual tension well and a few other traits. PUA is a way to appear like you have those traits (and to eventualy get them).

I didn't think people were sex until mystery method was released, did you guys?

Seriously, you don't gotta be so "textbook" when approaching women. If your bringing value instead of taking value, your gonna be hooking up with women.

i think the moral of the story is:

technique comes second

confidence/decisiveness come first

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i agree the most basic of tools in a guys arsenal if he wants to talk to women or socialize on the base level are:

confidence, the ability to adapt and the ability to control his emotions.

In my opinion direct is best way to open only way better than that is kino opener. I did all those opinion shits and stuff like that that and then I tried direct and the first night I went in direct I started liking pick up. Gamblers way plus direct openers are the way in bigger clubs imo.

I havent quite figured how to do in small clubs and bars. I dont get rejected with direct but sometimes sets go very boring direction. I have been rejected from direct like about 2-3 times out of about 30-40 direct approaches and only one time was harsh and that was when I tried big qualification from the start.

Indirect and all that shit needs like insane skill cap and stuff like that with direct you just go and not worry about anything. They also say that opener dont matter if it opens the set but imo opening direct makes everything easy. Just do some qualification and sexual framing and thats all you need. With indirect there is like 10 different phases and any of those might fuck up all you have done.

Inconclusion is that mystery method might work if you are extremely good at it but other than that it is bullshit. Same with rsd shit and david d. they just are so bad at what they do. (teaching part). All of the featured poster you can see upside of this page and 60 years and brad p. and daygame.com know what they talk about and you can actually learn from some thing.

Technique is big part of game imo. Be natural or be yourself is just retarded thing to say since it clearly doesnt work. Be someone better than youself works good tho. You need to learn to become the champion side of yourself(stubid as it sounds)[techniques help here]

Man it is fun to write. I dont know even if that makes any sense but still I hope you dont learn from old school guys anymore. They are just rip offs who want your money and give nothing in return. So if u you learn rsd, mystery, neil, david etc just dl torrents and dont pay 500e for shit or 3k for trash camp.

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