Alright, so i've been reading this PUA stuff for almost a month now and I've gone out and tried a few things, nothing too heavy though. I seem to run into problems getting the girl attracted to me. As I understand it, i'm having trouble DHV. Do you guys know any good routines or stories I could use that could get me to be the most desirable guy in the situation or even more desirable?

You just have to know how to approach a girl. If you're just starting out, try approaching your target and asking them a question that will carry out a decent conversation. Just let it flow. It's not hard to get a girl attracted to you. Girls like guys who can initiate conversations and be outgoing, so when you're doing this you're proving it. Just don't pull anything stupid while you're doing it X)

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man you just have to be gregarious, you gotta go out there, like silver hammer said, and initiate conversations, its not about memorizing routines, its about making your persona seem attractive, and when you build up your inner game (self esteem, confidence and all that good stuff) you'll be fine just to start a convo, and talk about whatevers around you, not necesarrily routines. but if you wnat, you can get books by mystery or DeAngelo or any PUA, they'll have great routines in them.

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Ignorance is Bliss

My opinion For DHV is simple, I don't like the think of game as a process or a front of some sort to pick up girls, it is you. What you need to do is look inward instead of outward. The DHV in game pertains to a skill or craft you have that makes you unique. I'm sure if you think about it there is a infinite number of postive things about you that you can use to DHV. for The PUA mystery it was magic/ clairvoyance < hope i spelled that right. You have to find your own nitch. from their don't give the game much thought. Remeber your the prize not them, never lose that mind state.

The other part is conversation which was put greatly in the two previous post man, even if you don't attract girls you'll still be known as a cool dude.

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Animals have "pickup" in their DNA, It's called instincts.

hmm yeah I understand what you guys are saying. Basically for me being gregarious and confident are not really issues, it just seems that whenever I approach girls they are not very receptive. Coming and reading these things its hard to tell what people are really trying to do. I really understand all of the inner game stuff and thats honestly what im here for, im not here for some pre-scripted routines to try to seduce women, who will soon realize that there is nothing beyond the routines. I'm more here to try to find ways to get them initially attracted to me enough so they'll get the CHANCE to find out who I really am. Now, I haven't had too much success with that, for whatever reason the women I have been intimate with were initially attracted to me so I feel like I simply got lucky in those encounters. I want to be able to not feel like im getting lucky, I wanna feel in control and able to go out and get whoever whenever. In terms of inner game, I dont lack confidence, I'm not boring/stupid, and I'm a pretty fun guy (I'm kinda under the C+F category), but it just seems that despite it all I can't get attraction. Obviously I'm missing something, so right now im just trying to figure out exactly what it is. I think I just need to get out there and "practice," and of course by practice I mean just try to be more outgoing and pin point what the problem is. I really appreciate you guys writing back and all of your encouraging words, the community here is very helpful and caring.

Thanks again,
Chocolate

Yo wat up Chocolate,

Man I thnk i used to have your problem HARD!!
its like you thnk you do evrything by the fucking text book but the shit still aint pullin in the chicks or creating that "attraction" that is so vital, and at the end of the night your left there scratching your head trying to figure out what whent wrong considering you did evrything you could've done right (then you get paranoid thnking its this or its that) , and those few times that you did get lucky you wernt really in control, and you get soooo bummed out from it ay, n rightly so!

Memorise this very very important statement made by David Deangelo

[ATTRACTION ISN'T A CHOICE!!!!!!!!
(he said it took him 5 years to fully understand this concept)

I'm half way through watching an 8 hour seminar of his dedicated solely to BODY LANGUAGE!!!!

I honestly had NO IDEA how much body language portrays about a person. I knew it was important, i mean hold yourself upright have good posture n shit like that but i thought thats about as far as it goes.
Its the very first thing an individual notices about another person and sets the tone for how they will be perceived by others, as an alpha high status male or a lower status character.

You portay your status and power through your body and no amount of words talking or routines can make up for it.

There is just sooo much content and matter to this subject and i beleive it to be one of, if not the most important subjects to understand in the world of pick up or life in general.

David D points out that when speaking to a woman:

"Body Language Vs Words"
of a total message
- 7% is portayed by words
- 38% by the voice tones
- 55% by facial and body expressions

so only 7% is what you actually say and the other 93% by facial expression, gesture, body language, voice town etc.

in other words you can be pulling of the best and greatest most original lines and techniques but if your:

-leaning towards her
-slouched
-not holding direct eye contact
-facing her while shes facing another direction
-smiling too much
-laughing at urself, just to name a few

(these are all examples of approval seeking body language and is portrayed by lower status individuals seeking approval)

then theres no way shes goin to become attracted to you!
these are things which we all register on a subconsciouse level and when you see others you automatically think to yourself wow that chick looks so confident or that guy seems so cool calm and collected without even knowing them.

So dnt get me wrong, techniques and conversation skills are very important.....OBVIOUSLY, but its more the way you say it and the way you present yourself while doing it that triggers the hard wired attraction mechanism inside of a woman rather than the actual words that are coming out of your mouth!

When i learned to recognise and apply all this, my confidence whent up 1000% man, its such a different ball game! You wll DEFINITELY be in control!!

Chocolate, I strongly suggest you get your hands on David D's "Body Language" DVDs because from the sounds of it you have all the rest covered and this seems to be the only thing your missing, in most cases this is the only thing thats stopping many potential PUAs from progressing.

I jst touched on the tip of the iceberg here but if u wanna know more feel free to PM me,

wish u all the best in your sarging endevours Chocolate

Regards
magnum-1

Magnum is completely right about that 7% of the interaction is the words and the rest is all about how you present it. When I start talking with people I find sometimes I don't even know what I've been saying because I'm hardly thinking about what it is I'm saying, I'm making sure I'm not facing her directly, I'm always turned slightly away so I might be leaving at any moment and so she has to work hard for my attention. I'm always looking over at friends or people who just look like they're having a good time and nodding and give them a smile (social proof, makes you look like you're why the place is a party, not that you're just at a party). Something a lot of people have trouble with is their fear of losing the girls they are sarging and like I believe Mystery said, "You have to be willing to lose the girl" otherwise you aren't gonna be able to say the stuff you need to say and act like you don't care and show that you are the prize, not her. If you are worried about making her like you, she will feel it and will lose interest cause you're like every other guy, you have to show that you would be just as happy hanging out with by yourself or with her friends, then she'll want to make you want her.

yeah totally right, jst like Rye Lee said,
make it seem as though you have better things to do than be with her, and she should be excited by having you be with her, let her see you with other people in the club to gain social proof before you approach.

then when ur about to do one of your techniques or tell her a story whatever... you say sumfin like " hey i'll show you somethin really cool, then you gotta stop keeping me here OK!" this makes it seem as though she's keeping you from being somewhere more interesting, even though it may not exactly be that way...perception is everything!