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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 4:51 am 
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So, this is what happened last night. I need some objective criticism from an outside party. (My friends, though they mean well, cannot really give me any objective criticism when it comes to girls, so I'm seeking advice else where.)

So yesterday, I was hitting up a bartender at this bar. (Yes I am aware, the staff is generally off limits because most of the time they flirt because it's part of their job.) From my critical perspective, I think it was more of less alright. She consistently was looking for my attention when I was at the bar, she was constantly staring at me, etc.

So, I talked to her, because I'm new to this country (yes, I'm abroad right now) and asked her how would/should meet girls in this country and give me some advice. She started talking with me, and just gave me the shittiest advice ever. Shit like, "Go to a girl and be like let me buy you a drink" and stuff like that. My personal philosophy is that I don't owe a single person a bloody drink, regardless of how hot she is. So anyways, we continue talking, and at one point I couldn't really hear her very well and so I just kept saying "What?" and she got pissy with me and said, "If you don't want to listen then I'm going to stop talking to you". (My opinion a shit-test) "I responded I can't really hear you very well." So she said, "Talking to you makes my stomach hurt." (Shit test again? In my opinion she was wanting sympathy and attention here.) So I said, "Oh really? Then I'll stop talking to you." And walked away to check out the other girls in the bar. After about 5-6 minutes of just chilling with my boys and checking out the other girls. I went back to the bar because I wanted something else to drink. I started talking to her again and told her, "So your stomach feel better?" And she replied, "Yeah!" and I told her, "Must be because of me."

Anyways, we continue talking and she's getting all cutesy and stuff like that sticking her tongue out and what at me and I asked her about something she was doing and she said, "It's a se-cr-et!" and shit like that. So, I just flirt back ignoring everything. Anyways, I was getting bored and she wasn't really paying attention to me because of a large number of orders, so I started talking to another bartender. (I intentionally picked the one that probably got hit on the most.) I was just talking to her asking her what her advice was after telling her what I heard from bartender girl #1. We start talking and just laughing and what not. The first bartender that I was talking to in my opinion is cuter, and more fun but whatever. So, I just sat there talking to her, and #1 got really pissed. Like REALLY PISSED. She stopped talking to me completely and got all offended and shit because I was talking to another girl (at least that is my opinion, pretty certain though). So, she stopped talking to me, and I asked her, why are you so pissed? Was it because I was talking to another woman? And she got more pissed and glared at me and then went off. So I was like, "HMMMM" shit test? My mentality when I go out is pretty much practice time. Nothing more. So, I just sat there staring at her, not worried, not pissed, nothing, just staring at her giving her my full attention.

I just sat there for like 10ish minutes just staring at her politely and calmly smiling. Of course I would be smiling at this point, because she has no reason to be pissed at a stranger for just talking a co-worker right? So, I noticed at first she was like all like "WHY THE HELL ARE YOU LOOKING AT ME." Then it slowly turned into her checking to see if I was still looking at her through the corners of her eyes. Which afterward she was like getting a little be happy and embarrassed, so she was joking with her co-worker of how I was just looking at her. I had my hand underneath my chin resting on it while I was staring at her. I didn't give a shit so whatever. Eventually, she came back to where I was sitting. I asked her, "Has your anger subsided now?" She responded and said, "No, stop, leave me alone." So I told her, "You know what I'm a really good artist. If I draw you a pretty picture will you forgive me?" She said, "I don't need it!" and skampered off.

So, at this point my boys were tired, and I was just getting tired also so I was just like whatever, let's close this now. I wrote my number on the back of the napkin, and pretended I was drawing her with a lot of attention. She was interested, but acted like she didn't care. She went to serve the other room in the VIP lounge (which I was invited to by another group of random people I met but I didn't want to ditch my friends so whatever). She came back and I just went up to her and she was like, "GO AWAY!" and I told her calmly, "But I drew a pretty picture of you!" She was like I don't need it, and I just gave it to her and said, "I worked on it really hard!" So she took a look at it, and it was a stick figure with her name and pretty with an arrow towards it. She was like "AHHH!" and crumpled it up and tossed it in my face. But then I was like "Why?!?" and she picked it back up. I reopened it for her and said "See...here's you and here's pretty. Like I said, I drew a pretty picture of you! Anyways, check the back." And on the back it had my number and my name and CALL IT. My boys were next to me and I just told them, "Let's bounce." and left.

Now I need advice on what is: What I did right and wrong. From my critical perspective, I fucked up on the close. I should have gotten her number as well but my brain was only running at like 75% at that point because I was getting tired. I also could have done more kino (I just gave her pats on the head and occasionally playful headbutt while we were leaning in and talking and when she gave me shitastic advice). I could have used more assistance from my wingmen (however I lack them at the moment). It would have been more useful if one of my boys came up to me and told me, "Hey dude we gotta leave" when I was talking to her. It would have been more useful. Also, I could probably have gave her more negatives. I did enough, and I'm pretty sure I/she had fun flirting. Body language was fine (at least from my perspective). Lack of a lot of mirroring though which kind of sucked because she was constantly moving around and she was standing and I was sitting. Meh...advice, criticism, yelling, etc. Much obliged.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:58 pm 
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As it appears to me they were distinctive IODs and not shit-tests. You should have moved away to a different target rather than clinging on.

Maybe more experienced PUAs would have better insight on this.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:24 pm 
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Hmm, from what u said i figured out 2 possible things that might be mistakes...
1)The fact that u got into an argument fight with her, about her shity advices, that's seamed a bit childish,u could have listen a bit to her, and respond something like" is that your profesional advice, or that's what u would do if u were a man", and move the conversation in a more prosperous field.
2) Is more likely that u were talking to a spoiled girl, those type that are gelous,and teritorial...u know what i mean, those that got cheated on and are on the brink of becoming man-haters, altho they still want man, they look for good guys,or she really had a thick bitch shield, that seamed u have trigered
Don't take it personal, i think u wasted a good night for a shity girl...
Best of luck to u


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