I have found that my pickup strategies are a bit diminished when I drink. I am just curious if you guys drink when you go out to pick up or not. Do you think that is a big no no? I am much more clever when I don't or at least if I have just drank a couple for a slight buzz. If I get drunk, I get sloppy and forget about things like time constraints, organization, etc. Also, I was wondering if anyone had any ideas about how I should approach things without a wingman or friends in the bar. I usually get out of work around 1 and that means I only have 3 hours of sarging and most of my friends have a different schedule during the week and can't go out at that time. Not to mention that my friend destroys my game because if I initially talk to a girl and she acts uninterested or he talks to a girl that is uninterested, he starts being very negative towards them and it becomes a conflict. I'd rather try to flip her. Do you think its worth it to try to flip girls who automatically put up the bitch defense? Or should I look for a new lead that gives me iois?

I usually drink about 1-2 beers when i go out gaming, but only to get into the right mood with my buddies. I have no problem just grabbing a coke or something instead.

Reason i dont drink more than that though, (besides the fact that im a top athlete and have to stay in shape) is that my moving and talking gets really sloppy. I sound and act really really drunk, but my head is clear and have no problem doing things right. So its just a big turnoff for the girls.

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I just drink socially 2-3 beers a night, but it always turns up being more than that



aslong as you had fun

but seriously, if you want some real good advice on whether you should or should not drink is by experimenting with it. go out a night completely sober and go out a night having 2-3 beers.

Thinking for your own is part of becoming successful with girls.


about the bitch shields, must be something you're doing that causes them to act like that. Review what you're doing.

anything beyond 2 beers has been a fiasco for me. i, too, start to get slurred speech and just a freakin mess in general when i get to drinking... i want to remember my errors and my successes, so i can't get hammered. that's part of why day game interests me so much actually...

i would never get drunk and try to game. it just messes things up big time. Now if you just out there and having fun with the friend then thats a diffrent story. Theres always that time when you having fun with the friend and that so called Hb just happends to come around and your like "oh man i should game her". I usually have a few drink with my friend and just plan to have fun. I know some of my friend who goes out just to game and gets hammered drunk and makes a fool out of themselves. I hope your not one of these guys cause now your making it way easier for other guys to come and swooop the chick away. Have fun, drink responsibility.

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Yeah I agree. This is a mind game and although alcohol helps to diminish inhibitions towards approach, it also makes the mind sluggish. The instinctual desires we have to avoid when conversing with the girls also have to be avoided (like showing neediness, showing full desire and not playing cat string theory, etc) I have a lot more fun when I'm out drinking but you are right, I don't want to be that guy who is trashed at the bar making women flee the scene. thanks

When you're in State, the only liquid courage you need is water.

True story.

Q.

Drinking never ends well!

I only ever drink if it's just a guys night out and I'm just out to have fun

+1000

Dude, look past all the small strategies and trix and experiments to get a womans attention.

If you reach state, you will fucking glow and all the women in the clubing will be fucking drawn to you. You know why? Because you're having the most amount of fun!

I reach state easy with some alcohole in my veins so I have nothing against it.

Look, do what works for you. If you get more women while you're not drunk, perhaps you should stop.

I'd rather be sober or just slightly buzzed. I actually ruined a very easy chance last night be cause I was far from being buzzed.

I would never drink to practice PU. Maybe one beer to losen up...thats it! If you cant do it sober, then you shouldnt be doing it period. IMO

Why not? If it works it works.

Well...each to their own. But imo its just a mask. Im probably the least experienced person in this forum as far as AA. But it would make me feel like more of a man doing it all myself, and not relying on alcohol to get it done...thats too easy! so you get drunk and FEARLESS, and appraoch and win? Wheres the challenge?
Its the challenge and change in a person that should make it work. Walking into a place and saying "yea.I can do this!!" is the best feeling

Isn't it a mask going in with tactics, DHV stories like MM?

Raegan,

Alcohol is a bad dependency to develop. You are physically altering your mood and your body to be able to approach women. That type of thing is not a good idea. I think most all the mPUAs out there would agree that you should not rely on alcohol to improve your abilities. Besides what about day game...where are you going to get a drink in a mall before approaching.

I know some people feel more social drinking before going out or before approaching but truly that ability was always within them. That is why most of the teachers including myself discourage our students from drinking. To show them that they don't need that "crutch" in order to meet and attract beautiful people.

Jon

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