One of my biggest issues is that when I go out for a night on the town, its never been my goal to just sarge. Its always to party with friends and have a good time. When I get drunk I'm still down to spit game, but my closing performance dwindles considerably. I'm wondering how do I party with friends and stay sober at the same time (it would be mighty convenient, and also save me some runs and workouts)?

Also, 2 more questions:

In your personal opinions, is it better to meet a woman at a bar/club or elsewhere? (I'm sure there are advantages to both and I should continue to do both.)

And, is a central group dynamic (hanging out with a group of people who know you from work/parties that have notions of how you are and how your supposed to be) a game killer!? I always feel like its fun to go out with friends, but they get in the way of being able to talk to other girls. (And the girls in this particular group, I've either slept with or have no desire to sleep with)


Thanks in advance!

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Erm....dont drink then?

Lol, thanks! Everything is so clear now!

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Go and talk to people. It's fun. And if you don't want to be 100% sober you can drink until you feel a slight buzz. But don't get so drunk that you cannot actually talk normal. This depends on what you look for. If you want a one night stand - it will be easier in clubs or bars. If you want something more serious - I personally think day game is better(but you can also meet some really nice girls in clubs) Introduce them to some girls. This way you'll show that you're a leader and get better responses from the other girls and everyone will have a good time.

Hope this helps you

Thanks! I found that very helpful!

While I don't consider myself an alchie, I definitely find it difficult to be around a lot of people drinking, and not drink myself. Its a social thing, and getting in on all the cheers is always fun! But perhaps your right, staying on the cusp of a buzz is probably a good place to be.

I especially appreciate the bit about intermingling these girls into the group. Brilliant!

Thanks again Playfellow!

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Actually after completely reading the initial post, I have this same issue. Not sure if its the same reasoning as yours but if I'm gonna fail, I'd rather fail and no one knows about it.

offer to be a DD, but still have fun. Show everyone you dont need to drink to have FUN. it will actually separate you from the other guys there

Well the simple solution to that would be just to drink less. As far as going about that, maybe you can socially drink through out the night but keep it limited and spaced out. For example: make the rule with yourself that you can only drink 1 beer every hour and a half. Just sip on it to make it last - there is no reason to pound it unless you are trying to get trashed or drunk. You can sip on your beer while you converse and the spacing between drinks will keep you sobered up to a good extent.
I think that depends on your age group and what you are truly looking for. As a college student, I tend to think that you meet the 'classier' girls in class/lecture, at a cafe/bookstore, a fitness center, or walking down the street. These situations commonly suit day game. Those are the places I would pick up a girl if I wanted to possibly push for something more than just a one night stand or random hookup. If all I want is a ONS or something along those lines, I would go to a club/party/bar that night. I am in no way saying classy girls don't go to clubs/parties/bars, because everyone likes to have fun. In fact, I know first hand that you can meet classy girls at clubs/parties/bars. I'm just saying that I think the environment in which you meet a girl can have an effect on her behavior though.
A central group of friends doesn't have to be a game killer. That is up to you. Do you truly care how they will perceive you in a different setting? Do you feel social pressures from them to perform? What frame-set do they have in mind about you? Are you afraid to seem incongruent to them since they are now seeing you outside of work?

You said they are a group of friends. To me, this means that you should feel comfortable around them no matter what, and they should and do appreciate you for who you are.

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Thanks for your reply [Vegas]!

I need to work on the not drinking thing. I'm starting to see it as a hurdle in more ways than one, and lots of things would probably work out better if I toned it down a bit. (This week its been getting in the way of work, working out, running game, etc.)

As a 22 year old college student, I seem to be better at initiating day game (school, Starbucks, bookstores, work, etc.), so I've been trying my hand at night game. Oddly enough, the outcome of the previous statement is a bit slanted in that I seem to have closed more with night game, but I open much better with day game. Unfortunately, I've had way more ONS'es than relationships. Though, generally speaking, these girls either have had low self-esteem or have picked me up (love it when that happens). I'd like to be able to satisfy my urges on my own terms though, rather than being an AFC (which I admittedly am) and taking whatever comes along. And, as I've recently learned, this is partially about manifestation and social manipulation. (I'm working on it.)

When it comes to the friends; they are my friends, but they aren't my close friends. It tends to be one of those massive groups that forms out of the people I worked with and all of our external friends. Generally speaking, my good friends don't enjoy the outings with these folks; however, I find it fun and entertaining. I don't feel social pressures from them to perform, its more like social obligation to hit on their friends and give my attention back to the group (really incestuous, I know). This particular crew that I'm talking about varies between 20 and 25 people. They think I'm a G-mack because I was their cashier for over a year, and they sat and watched me practice opening, negging, and maintaining interest with a lot of girls (I was told by the manager to not number close). So when it comes to social outings (where girls aren't required to talk to me if they want their merchandise ) I feel like I'm expected to bring the same game out that I used to spit while working there. Except, when I had been at work, I'd been practicing for 6+hrs. So its different. Not only that but, I've complicated things by sleeping with a few of the associates. (Which I'll never do again!) All in all, its not that they don't appreciate me for me, its that I feel an uneasy awkwardness around them (which is definitely the opposite of comfortable!). Maybe its time for a new group!

Thanks again Vegas, you've been more than helpful!

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