How much IOI is the absolute minimum and average, respectively, you need before you feel it's appropriate to:
1. ask for number
2. ask for a date
3. kiss
4. ask her to follow you home
Please describe the entire set and composition of IOIs you needed, and any other relevant background.

Also, how do you handle a "no" in an appropriate way, if you did any of these above mentioned things but it turned out you had overestimated her IOIs thus far? Particularly "softer" kinds of "no", e.g. "I'm not ready for that yet", "Not on the first date", etc rather than in the sense of "give up all attempts for any contact at all with me you freak"?

1. I usually have sex with a girl and ignore her for a few weeks before I even debate getting her number
2. dates are for fags and terminally ill cancer patients
3. Until she is naked kissing is off the cards
4. following, not sure, carrying maybe ... dragging for sure. basically whenever you have the upper body strength to overpower a women you are set


Hope that helps bro

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I remember reading a post from Sinn regarding a similar question.

He had an interesting concept. Basicaly it was something like don't botther with IOIs. It takes a good amount of skills even to recognize IOIs and if you are not savy in recognising them, by the time you pick one up she already flung 20 and is wondering why you are not acting on them.

So ya, IOIs, but don't let that dictate your game like a list you have to check.

Makes sense?

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So essentially I should just escalate in every possible way until she protests, in which case I retreat just slightly, only to start escalating again slowly until the next protest, rinse and repeat until we're having sex?

I must say, that I find it somewhat scary, given the "morality" that has been hammered into me, to keep escalating without her making any sort of deliberate IOI whatsoever. I find it easier to flirt with a girl that flirts back, as long as she isn't doing DHV and NEGs, but rather trying C&F in return for my own C&F. A problem is that I seem to get nowhere from sexy C&F exchange, probably because of this "morality" fear. I'm waiting for some particular IOI in order to continue, yet I don't know exactly what it is.

I must confirm your observation that IOIs are hard to spot in time unless you're extremely alert - I've seen a few IOIs in the few months since I left my cave of isolation, but I didn't think of them as IOIs until several days later...

Exactly. 1 step forward 2 steps back. Keep going till resistance and step down. Rince repeat.

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Yes, or could you just rely on the assumpiton that it's always on? It's a positive mindset and it affects you in a good way.

Ok, but I presume you mean 2 steps forward, 1 step back, not the other way around

Nah, I walk backwards ;)

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Concentrate on the mood in the phaces 1-4, dont just calculate the IOI s eventough they are part of the game. You will notice when she is attracted to you. One good IOI is that when you loose your grip on her hand and she answers that by holding it tighter than its a clear sign of interest.
Observe the situation and the amount of electricity in the SPAM!

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If you overstep the line, she'll object. Baby steps are important but keep moving forward. Playing by IOIs when said IOIs are entirely unique to the indivudal won't get you anywhere mate.



I very nearly bit, I admit it.

Well played.

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