hey i was wondering how far into the interaction that you guys do these...they are fairly deep topics (ok well the cube is more fun but eliciting values (styles version) is quite deep)....i cant help thinking that if you did eliciting values to her in the first 3-5 mimutes there is a high risk that shes going to think...whoh man this guy is waaaay too deep, i dont even know him and he's trying to tel me what my core values are in life. so it seems like it should be saved for later once rapport is gained and youre trying to build an emotional connection.

The cube is more fun as you can say its a GAME of questions and symbols and will allow me to know everything about you etc. which is more fun. eliciting values is more deep

what you guys reckon and what are the best times for these.

also, it seems the cube does many things..it can help build rapport,DHV, as well as build an emotional connection all at once. what would you guys say its purpose is...to me it does all of those.

I despise the cube but if you want to use it make sure you are somewhere where she can hear you, is comfortable and you are into rapport.

DO NOT under any circumstances start using it before you get IOIs whilst stood up at the bar, she is there for a drink and after 3 or 4 "What?? I can't hear you"s she will leave or you will get bored. Also I have seen so many people get busted using the cube and usually the people using the cube don't know how to deal with getting busted. So yar I know a lot of people swear by it but it can do more harm than good IMO and there are more effective ways to build rapport/DHV quickly.

Again eliciting values can be done in quite a conversational way so doesn't have to be as deep as made out in a lot of writing but again unless you fancy pushing yourself for quick attraction I would save it for rapport

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Can someone explain me the "Eliciting values" thing?

My understanding of it is asking questions that show you how the girl ticks, the sorta fibre of the woman. So things like "What are you passionate about?" "If you could be anything what would you be?". May be wrong but its been a while since I have heard that phrase.

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this is more of the NLP way of doing it...great for practising anchoring and can be a killer speed seduction tactic if done right

-what is the experience you most enjoy doing? (she'll say dancing or being with family or something)

-what is the ideal scenario of you doing that thing. descrive it..

-so picturing that RIGHT NOW, how do you feel.. what emotions?

-"so really then, while I was asking you this, you smiled.. and yeah its kind of because I'm being a bit funny or weird or whatever.. but also, its because you could kind of feel that emotion right now, while we were talking about it.. can you feel it.. blah blah"

-so really then, even though your favourite experience is dancing, your core value is fun and excitement.. So what's most important to you is the experience of fun and excitement, and whatever leads you to that is most important.. blah blah

...then you can tag on that...so next time when youre making an important decision in life like whether to move house or whether to quite your job
etc ask yourself whether this decision will bring you one step closer to or further away from this core value of yours. and if you use this deicsion making policy then 95% of the time you will be making a healthy decision and maintaining this value (of excitement and fun) in your life.

jaybot, out of interest what do you use to DHV immediately after your opener?

The cube was a great idea until basically everyone in the world had heard about it, not to mention if she is even slightly intelligent she will realise that you are giving her broad spectrum answers that would be true to almost anyone, unless you are really good at it I would not suggest using it, but if you are gonna try and be a little creative and don't make it a cube make it a wall or a house or pool or anything except the cube personally if a chick asked me how big a cube was in the desert I would be like what the fuck is a cube doing in the desert?

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I don't directly use DHVs, this will sound arrogant but I am a high value guy so DHVs come up naturally in fluffing, which isn't as bad as everyone makes out.

A technique which is quite cool though is to lead to conversation into DHVs eg
PUA-So, What is your dream job? I find it's the easiest way to get to know someone
Her- blah blah (you can chat about this for a while, then without fail) What is yours?
PUA- Well I want to be a ..... so I have started doing ..... I dunno why I love it I have always had it as a passion

TBH even that is a little clunky and scripted but y asking her personal questions she will flip them back then if your life is as cool as it should be the DHVs will flow naturally

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