I like to run C&F,
by ACTUALLY being cocky has led to some pitfalls.
Good example:

I'm talking to a girl in my class.
I've run cocky and funny but she's also extremely confident so when I bust her balls, it immediately becomes a challenge, and she'll either take me up on it, or play hurt.
I've known her for a few months actually, but for some reason I've been coming off as cocky for that entire time.
I figured out my problem, but I'm not sure whether or not my sudden shift toward, vulnerability will leave her with a feeling of "I just conquered this asshole!" or "I can be comfortable with this guy."

So should I just tone down and move to comfort stage, or try C&F until she stops taking me up on my challenge?

C and F is NOT really "COCKY" and it's not really "FUNNY".

If you had really run "cocky/funny" in the context of the "game", then there is no way in hell you could have gotten the response that you did. . . .you could never be confused.

Tell us exactly HOW you ran your c/f . . . I bet you weren't:

You: Woh, you're looking super sexy today.

Her: Shut up. Stop staring at me.

You: What, you think because I think you're looking sexy means I want to date you?

Her: Keep dreaming.

You: Hey, I'm a man. I see a beautiful girl and I'm springing a boner. But . . . you do seem a bit negative . . . Not sure if I can really be your boyfriend.

Her: Thank God.

You: Hey, let's not bring God into this. We're talking about sex! We're talking about my man meat and your vagina. A 3 some with God just seems inappropriate.

Her: .....

You: OK, let's get serious. You know I'm a conservative guy. You know I'm not going to pull your clothes off or anything like that. Look at me . . . Do you think I could ever rip your clothes off and kiiiiiiiis you alllllll over?

Her: Probably

You: Well, maybe after I take you out for a burger, fries, and a coke . . . maybe then I'll rip your clothes off. You know . . .I'm a gentleman!


Just came up with ^^^ but it HAS to be sexual. And you have to press on. With the example above, had you "dropped" it half way through, she'll just think you're a wussy weirdo. Don't be scared. Just keep pressing that button. Just keep going with it.

HAHA I was sending you a PM as you were typing this.

Well, fuck me with your finest china....
There is so much irony here I could write a shitty screenplay, but I'll condense it.

I was talking to a fellow RAFC about this girl (he's known her for years) and he told me with her I have to be direct--Going sexual straight off.

I was being a pussy; relying on subtlties and DHVing to no end until I looked like an ego dependent doucher. I had C&F mixed up with cavemanning or some shit...I don't really know, nor does it matter at this point.

I asked (asked used conservatively, more like took her from her date) her to dance and she instantly ground on my dick for 2 songs.

Anyway, what I was doing and my mentality in the excited environment is what I shouldve been doing this whole time.

I'm taking your advice and running with it.
Balls to the wall, no exceptions

To me thats borderline annoying.

It shows wat TOO much of an arrogant side. You not giving her any scope to response.

If a girl is firing back, I sometimes laugh if I find something funny she said and then bust on her again. Keep a serious face at all times tho. Don't crack up in hysterics. Just laugh alittle.

When you're TOO cocky, you can blow it, trust!

Everything in moderation.

Keep the cockiness and serious face constant throughout. Don't just use it at the beginning then letting shit fizzle out.

Well, I think you know that this is just "cocky/cocky" and has NOTHING to do with funny.

If you play ping pong, you want your partner to pass the ball BACK to you. Having the person on the other side just grabbing the ball and walking off is boring right?

Always take it to the next level. You took the initiative and GRABBED her for a dance. So she tooke the initiative and ground your dick. So now you need to take the initiative and take her hand and put it right on your dick. You know that's what she wants right? Then you need to show her how much of a good little girl she is. When she gives you that squeeze and rub you go, "Oh, you hory little girl. . . you know what I'm going to do with you?!?!?"

Then you just jam your tongue down her throat.

If you press heavy enough and for some reason, you get 3 or 4 cold responses and she doesn't "break", you just, DROP the whole thing like nothing ever happened and go something like, "Hey, you thirsty? Want a coke?" (Anything random like nothing ever happened)

Now . . . do you think she wants to continue your conversation about you sticking your dick waaaay up her vagina or do you think she wants to talk about "coke vs. pepsi"?

Most of the time, the girl will figure out a way to "re-introduce" the sexual topic.

Well . . . let's just hope that YOU are not really a chick with a "FAT VAGINA" . . . I sure would be disappointed.

To YOU, this should sound a bit annoying. Men are not about lengthy round about talks. Men are straight forward cave man Igors. We desire to go, "You woman. Me man. Me stick dick in you now." But this isn't the way it goes, right?

Now what do women desire? Do you think a girl REALLY desires this?
Do you think a woman likes to be made fun of for what she said? Do you really think this is the right time for "Play on words"? . . . Do you think she likes joking with you? . . Especially when you are trying to raise her SEXUAL emotions? Especially when she wants her sexuality to be KNOWN to you?

Dude . . . you've got it all wrong. Save your "ha, ha's" for your MAN BUDDIES during your Sunday after noon football beer parties. This is no time to be cranking jokes. If you are totally sensitive to "women", laughing can work. But if this is your first time, "laughter" can be confused with "ridicule". . . you don't want to go there.

Now, when SHE laughs out of nervousness, you can follow suit and laugh a little bit like the way you laugh at a joke you've heard for the 20th time. The goal is to fuck her, not to serve what you think might or might not be annoying.

You're a strange man Kasabi.

I've got my conversing skills almost on lock with girls..

But I surely ain't cocky to the pointof obliterating the girl!

I give her a chance to challenge me too...If she responds in a cocky way then I know what kinda girl she is. Then I play the whole game according to what type of girl she is because you'll be silly to believe cocky funny works on all girls.

You need to assess the situation at all times and check where you're at.

If you want to be all cocky with her, that's ALL YOU. Trust me, she'll think you're way too arrogant. Arrogance is good but too much is detrimental in gaming!

I'm still getting better at all this but I think my conversing is pretty much spot on.

This isn't the goal. If you could skip to conversing and get to the fucking, would you? If your conversing doesn't get you one step closer to her vagina, why bother?
Then you're not very cocky are you? I guess we could call you semi-cocky? ... or Semi-vagina?
Absolutely right. You should definitely strategize. But if you decide to go cocky. You go cocky. You don't switch to semi-soft and tell her that you are a vagina after all.
Not sure if you have ever gone cocky funny if you think the above is "arrogant".

Arrogance = "I've gotten chicks like you plenty. You're not even that hot. You want to be with me or not? Whatever, I can get anything I want . . ."

If you read above, you will see that there is plenty of push and pull going on. (Even though I just made it up on the spot) The reactions that I wrote for the "girl" is really the "worst case scenario". I have never really run into a stone cold girl like that. The point is, if you run into one, you don't stick your tail between your legs and go sem-soft and laugh at her and totally break your frame. You went in as a sexually dominant MAN. You don't let her chop your balls off. You certainly don't chop your own balls off. Again, if you play the "I'm a little tea pot and I like to joke around with you" route, OF COURSE you will befriend her. You are NO LONGER a Sexual counterpart worthy of dominating her.
Again . . . spot on conversing is not the goal. If you want to go around the room and have a spot on "ha ha" conversation with every girl, you can do this . . . This is of course a waste your time. You want every single sentence to get get her hornier. There are other ways to do this of course . . . but read the OP's FIRST SENTENCE.

You know what mate you talk too much...

Its not even cocky! Its just you going blah blah blah blah and the girl nodding her head coz she can't get a word in!

Blah Blah Blah Blah!!!

^If you don't understand what's going on here, then yes. . . I do agree that it will sound like "blah blah blah" to you. Why the big doubts?? You can try it out. If it doesn't work for you, don't do it. You might find that it will work for you. This is cocky/funny . . . and this is the way it works.

With cocky/funny, you don't go back and forth and let the girl bring up her agenda and take off with it. That would instead be "wussy/funny". Again, the goal is ______?

So here's something that happened at a Cambodian Restaurant last night. I just got back to the States and had dinner with 2 of my buddies.

After ordering and chatting a few things in Khmer (I know it a bit) and flirting throughout the meal, she changed into her street clothes. (Closing time):

Me: Slei san, (= pretty lady) Do you like singing?

Her: Huh? (Like . . . why are you asking me that?)

Me: Do you like dancing?

Her: Yes of course (Big smile now)

Me: Do you like cocktails?

Her: Yes

Me: Well then it's settled. On Friday, after work. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 (Pointing to the waitresses and us three guys) will go dancing, singing, and drinking. We will do ALL three . . .

Her: Big huge smile but just laughing.(They are all laughing . . . but in that nervous way)

Me: Are you shy? (Like I'm talking to a 10 year old)

Her: .... (just laughing and smiling)

Me: Do you like kissing?(Kissing is said slooowly. . .)

Her: Oh my God?. . .(Nervous laugh . . . beet red but she goes), Do you have a girlfriend? (Ha ha ha . .. Got ya . . .)

Me: Well, maybe we will try all these fun things on Friday. (I'm running the damn show here. I don't have the time nor the need to answer to her nervous shit. There's no need to joke or get cute about it. The goal isn't "ha ha". The goal is to build up her nervous sexual energy . . . PERIOD)

Then I go, "OK, see you on Friday night." Turn my head and just walk away. No numbers or anything. I want her to think, "WTF? He didn't even get my number? How will he call me? Shoot . . maybe I should have offered. He's not even coming back?? Maybe he wasn't even serious. . . Etc . . ." (I'll go by the place during afternoon break and grab her number)

I've done this type of thing enough times to know that barring any logistical problems, this is a 100% date + F close on Friday night. Is this the only way to run it? Of course not. . . but you don't tell yourself that you're going C/F and go, "And I'll let her test me . . ." No, no, no . . .

If you still do't understand it. . . shit, you'll never understand it so I won't bother explaining this one again. Good luck to others who try this route once in a while.

Mate, this is more like it! This is pretty much how I'd run it too with her.

But the example you gave above "We're talking about my man meat and your vagina", come on man! That ain't gonna work on a shy woman or an extremely confident woman. She'll think WTF!

And you're gettin me wrong. I don't laugh at her jokes and my game is over. I laugh for a brief moment to reward her BUT then IMMEDIATELY I go into serious mode again. But I only momentarily laugh when I feel the tension is just right!
Coz if you're serious for too long, she could get bored of the routine...And yes I banter all the time. But I feel its good to show her various sides to you indirectly

^So I went by the restaurant today. I walked by the window and knocked. She smiled. I pointed at her . . . then pointed at me. Then motioned a little dance and she cracked up and walked over to the door.

She pretended it was no big deal and walked away. I had not even asked her for her name last night. I reached out my hand and she kept on walking away! . . .Ha ha ha. . .

So while all the waitresses were watching.

Me: Hey, my name is ______, what's yours? (Loudly so they all hear)

Her: ________

We shake hands and I just pulled their business card and shoved it to her. Then by chance a buddy called me. So I just motioned to her to write on the card as I spoke about some party . . . blah, blah, blah. . . . She wrote her name and number right on the card. So I hang up and I'm about to say something . . . and then by chance, another friend calls. I give her the finger up, for the sorry . . . just one minute sign. "Blah, blah, blah . . ."

Then after I was done and she flipped me the card. I just motioned the fingers phone sign and . . .

Me: Hey, I'll call you (Then motioned the dancing thing)

All the waitresses: Ooh . . .oh my God . . . Ooh . . .

And that's the way it works.

Regarding the "Man meat thing" . . . Yeah, it might be over the top but believe me, I've said much, much worse and if it's at some party where people are drinking or in a club . . . no problems. She thinks it's goofy? She thinks it's a bit weird? So F'ing what? You just move on to the next topic and keep piling it on. It's the I am a man who will speak his mind frame and I don't apologize for that. No matter what you say, as long as you keep that, "I am the man here so just listen up like a good little girl" frame, the whole thing becomes a reality that she just accepts. . . like a good little girl . . .

We're pretty much on the same page.

there is such a thing as to much arrogance. depending on your tone, body language and what you say, you can be perceived as being an ass. Not only do you pay attention to how your target reacts (calibration) but you pay attention to how her friends react.

Gaming two girls, running C&F, i was paying attention to my targets responses more, she was loving it, major IoI's (saying i looked like a guy she had a great sexual relationship with, i was cute and the most fun she had in a while, stuff like this) after i excused myself and told them not to be a stranger, found out from the bartender who was a friend, my targets friend started bashing me, saying that i was talking down to her, was making fun of her that she was nothing more then sport to me and i had no interest in her. My most extreme line was, "aww thats cute, brunettes just arnt my thing" (she was a brunette).

Its all about calibration and the situation.

now you two ladies can continue to bicker...

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Is there any reason to believe the sudden switch to overtly sexual will just make her turn tail?

Plenty, if she is not as comfortable with you as you think, if she thinks your overly arrogant, If she thinks your an asshole.

these and many more can make you look like your an asshat that just wants the goods.

Stay in control, stay exciting and fun, but tone down your idea of C&F to see what happens. IF you keep frame, and dont come off as a needy attention seeking chump. the C&F wont matter.

However if you did go overboard on the C&F and she sees that your not always this way, she may rethink that one time encounter as a fluke and her image of you will change in a positive way.

so stay in control and confident, playful, humorous and exciting, dont validate yourself or look overly narcissistic, leave out your C&F routines and watch what her response is. As long as you stay confident and dont give over your control, there would be no reason for her to look at you any less.

dont ask for attention command it, be social with everyone in the class, let her see everyone having fun around you. but dont ignore her, just dont make her a priority. play it right, and as they say, no harm no foul.

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