But first an introduction. At first I didn't believe in this whole seduction thing. I thought people like David DeAngelo, David Shade, Mystery, Ross Jefferies and all of the professionals were just people with some scheme to get people who are lost and looking for their magicla cure for women, into giving up their cash for their precious teachings. But as I've come to see there are so many people out there each with their own way of how to get women. As of right now my friend has turned me to a book and I'm 130 pages deep into a 435 page book. I'm sure the pros in here knw it. Its titled "The Game" by Neil Strauss. Its good and has me hooked I'm not much of a reader but this will probably be the 2nd booked I've ever read cover to cover lol. Don't make an assumption that I'm an idiot I'm just not the type to sit I must always be doing somehting. I am a college student with a 4.0 GPA, I also play college golf, and in my spare time which is usually on the weekends I ride and race motocross. Along with those passions i love to sing I know it sounds girlish but when your good at something like that its hard not to sound gay or emo lol. So my loves are those and I'm going start playing a guitar soon when i get the money to do so. But enuf about me heres my one question to everyone the pros, guru's, and those who use this info in their daily lives. growing p in a private christian school all the way through high school and house thats all about morals and values. When I read what you seduction artist do yea its powerful and it works. But I'm not someone whose looking to conquer women to be dead honest if i knew a gir that was single and was a good friend and we hung out every day id be happy lol. I've only had one girlfriend and to have another would be great. a best friend to make out with haha. dont get me wrong sex apeals to me but i kinda made a promise to save it. I know your all gonna laugh at me so let me say this now FUCK YOU!!!! and if you say what i want isnt possible than u hvent met a person like me i make the impossible possible Its something ive been able to do since birth. but does what you teach apply to someone like me?

Apply everything taught here minus the sex part.

You can be sexual without having sex, it's just... frustrating, to say the least.



I'm not going to bother and even try to understand where you're coming from with your 'high values and morals'.

yea i understand kissing and stuff but i meant actual intercourse if we are gonna get technical but whay is it frustrating?

and by values and morals where was i comgin from ummm basicly i have one no sex b4 marriage which i kno everyone thinks is hard but i've had alot of friend have kids recently and i dont want it to happen to me i'm still somewaht an AFC but in the time i didnt kno what i was doing as an AFC i wrked my ass off on a future that is very promising and to blow it would kill me i had alot of friend that had good futures but blew it imma be the first person in my family in my life to graduate college but another question is how do you use all of the stuff on here to get a girlfriend maybe i havent read enuf but can someone steer me in the right direction. for my ive been taught to be a nice guy and open doors and stuff nice guys do and i understand those guys get nothing i think yesturday i finally realized it when i was at a sporting event and was waiting in line at the porta potty to pee and one of the models was behind me and the look on her face said she really had to go and i let her go in front of me i got laughed at for being a gentleman but idk if thats just common curtosey or beig a walking matt.

it would be a cool if one of the gurus read this and could help me understand

I am also a christian, but I would say I am very different from your run of the mill christian. To me being a christian is to be like christ. All throughout his life christ showed his love to others and especially to those that other people deemed unworthy. Your statement shows some close mindedness which I think is an inner game issue you may want to take a look at.

As far as your women problems there are plenty of guys out there that are looking for the same thing as you. Do not throw out judgement on an entire community based on some stereotype.

As far as your question asking if you can get women using means that are moral and good, absolutely, and in my opinion this is the best way to get relationships with women that last a lifetime. If you will really look close at most the guys who are successful in this community it is not the ones who use and lose women. It's the ones who love them most that are most successful. Now don't think I mean some supplicating lovey dovey fantasy bullshit, that's not love. Placing an attractive woman on a pedastal is admiring her based upon one thing that was not at all created by her. A girl doesn't want to be loved for her genetics she wants to be loved for who she is and what she has done in life. So what is loving a girl then?
1 Corinthians 13 Love is always patient; love is always kind; love is never envious or arrogant with pride.Nor is she conceited, and she is never rude; she never thinks just of herself or ever get annoyed. She never is resentful; is never glad with sin, but always glad to side with truth, whene'er the truth should win. She bears up under everything, believes the best in all, there is no limit to her hope, and she will never fall.
If you were to love a person like this do you really think they could reject your warmth?

As far as sex before marriage goes I researched it, I honestly couldn't find much in the bible against sex before marriage. It talks of adultery very much, but sex outside of marriage very little.

Go ahead and check out juggler and zan, they are two gurus that are focused on forming life long connections with women and people and leaving them off better than you found them.

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yea girls like that are hard to find they arent in huge groups and when i do meet girls like this most of them either have a boyfriend or are married!! my friend had a class last semester and he was talking to 3 cuties all around 21 all were married wtf?! so where are they do they exist?

If you're worried about babies, there's methods to combat that.

Birth control + Condoms have never failed me when I've used both. (Had a pregnancy scare once... I wasn't wearing condoms with her, she was only on the pill.)

There's always a risk you take with sex, even if you do wait until you're married.



Anyway, back on topic... Girls are everywhere. I mean EVERYWHERE... maybe except your bedroom. If you approach every set you see, you WILL find women who are of high value and aren't married or otherwise in a relationship. Even the ones with boyfriends aren't happy with them, otherwise, they'd be married, wouldn't they?