Is it something like that?

1) Opener
2) DHV & negs
3) Watch for IOIs
4) If IOIs not found go back to 2
5) Reward the IOIs with IOIs back to the target
6) Build comfort
7) Number close

Sorry, if it looks too step-based, but I really want to find the logic in it.
Is the above right? If not, how would it be?

That is basically Mystery's Method, however you are selling yourself short by having the number close as the final goal. The number close is only a consolation prize, taking her home is the goal.

I don't like MM and the step by step basis. It's attractive when starting out because it looks like a sure-fire step by step process to get you laid. It isn't really. Not only that, but it is also not enjoyable (in my opinion) and feels incongruent. If you are a deer in the headlights when it comes to getting girls, this may be for you. If you instead are more sociable and eager to change your identity, then I would suggest look elsewhere. Mystery Method stuff is the most shallow and basic tools out there and are easily understandable and applicable, but it isn't you achieving the success, it's the lines/gambits.

I prefer schools with more depth that aim to change things like your internal frame, role, perception of reality, and natural tendencies. If you master these things then the bottom shallow stuff that Mystery tells you to memorize will take care of itself.

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Hey plethora, I feel what you are talking about. But, you havent really helped the dude out. What schools were you talking about? Talking bad about one school of thought and comparing it to others (while not naming those) is a little coy. Its your own opinion that you dont like the MM (i dont either) but to state others are better without actually naming those is tantamount to saying the bench press is the weakest work out and you like others, but decide to walk away.

So, in short, what works for you, and why?

I use more of a "natural" game. I use all kinds of tools at diffrent times but never in any order....I just go with the flow and think on my feet.

The best way to become natural is to not have to much of a plan....90% of my negs up on the go, I ener go to the bar with a plan lol some could say its crazy but I find it works well for me! and I can say I am deff becoming a natural!

The best tip I can give you is to just not give a shit....second look like you dont give a shit, and talk to many people as you can! make friends with every group in the bar even the guys! Just have a good time.

Then take the tools like negs, kino ect....and work them in as needed.

Fair enough. In my defense, I did say that my dislike was my opinion, and also that I disliked it for me, not necessarily for other people. Mystery Method has given great success to those who had never dreamed of it before, and you can't argue with those results. The opening post asked if his outline was correct, I to that I answered yes, for the most part, assuming you are using Mystery Method. (By the way, I used the word 'shallow' in terms of an antonym for 'deep.' I did not mean for any negative connotations to be asserted to this word in this context.)

I think everyone should find out what works best for them by themselves. I have dabbled in every school, read many dozens of books, and hours upon hours of different video/audio tapes. I do this not out of necessity, but out of genuine curiosity and fascination. I find a lot of the schools to be shallow and self centered. They do not teach what works, they teach what works for them. I take the philosophy and theory behind the guru's I agree with, and combine it with my increasingly large understanding of psychology and NLP to shape my conversational skills.

Everyone has the resources in themselves to find and achieve personal goals, and I think it is often best for them to find their own ways. If you were wondering who my favorite 'PUA Guru' is then it would be David DeAngelo. You can find books and resources from great variety of sources in this field with little effort (internet...). Again, I never said one school was better, I merely said that Mystery's was not right for me. I have an obsessive desire for social knowledge and I know a lot of you guys out there don't, you have an obsessive desire to get laid. Don't misconstrue authority (of me or any other) as truth. Understand your own values, ambitions, goals, and find your own path.

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FIND, MEET, ATTRACT, CLOSE!
MM Model Outline


Your personality IS C&F



Bounce - To move the target to an entirely new location. C1 moving to C2 and on to C3. C2 can consist of many dates.

Move - To move the target to another area of the location currently in. A3 moving to C1.



FIND - Find Your Target



A1 and A2
It's important to know that during this time you are showing absolutely NO interest in the target. Most of the time the only attention the Target gets within these stages are negs.



A1 - Open
The man approaches a set over his shoulder to no show interest/neediness or that he's attempting to gain rapport. He gives an indirect opener so the set will not feel threatened by his presence. He comes across as he is just about to leave. He gives a time constraint and possibly uses "body rocking". He negs the target to show active disintrest. This will intrigue her, shut down her protection shield, and also make her friends less protective of you because they ALL think you're not hitting on her. He then DHV's (Demonstrates Higher Value) to the set and crosses the "Social Hook Point". The point where the set would rather have you stay then leave.



A2 - Female-To-Male Interest
This is the stage where you make HER attracted to YOU. The man demonstrates higher value, while simultaneously showing disinterest in the target by negging. Make sure you "lock her in" with a prop of some kind so she does not wander off. She responds by giving IOIs, or indicators of interest. So you continue to convey your personality using stories, humor, patterns, games, routines, palm reading, poetry, etc. This combined with his apparent disinterest in the target, raises his social value relative to hers and intensifies her emotional state. She begins to give him IOIs. This is where you begin to kino-escalate. But while doing escalation it's important to use the "push/pull" theory. This will make her MORE uncomfortable with losing your touch then she felt when she actually had it. Also it gives her time to become comfortable to it. You can use kino tests, ie the trust test, to get your target's IOIs. The cube works wonders here but also is a good tool to use in C1.



A3 and C1
He uses this to bait her into chasing after him to earn his affections. As she becomes more invested in the interaction, he rewards her with IOIs. Then he moves her to a quiet area of the bar to begin comfort building. A3 and the beginning of C1 has to do with the "bait, hook, reel, release" theory. Example shown below.

PUA: "Hey, what nationality are you?" (Bait)
HB: "I'm French." (Hook)
PUA: "OMG! Your french? I love that!" (Reel)
PUA: "I dated a french girl. I'm not sure if I can even talk to you now." *Then turn away from your target with your back to her and show her a little negative body language. (Release)



A3 - Male-To-Female Interest
It's important in this step to ask the question, "So how do you all know each other?" to find possible relationships within the circle. In this stage the man baits the woman to become more invested in the interaction, and then he rewards her efforts with IOIs. He is showing her that he has a reason to be attracted to her. If she is complying "move" her to a quieter location. If your at a coffee shop then of course, the "move" is unessecary. Kino escalate!



C1 - Conversation
(During rapport building, be nice. No more C&F or negs. You're being nice now. Do not go backwards in the sarge. If she tries to ball bust you simply withdraw attention and show that you will NOT go backwards.)

The couple begins a conversation and grows from a sense of comfort and rapport into a feeling of connection. Turn C&F down and show her a little part of your world. Continue kino escalation.



C2 and C3
With a bounce to Mel's Diner and a time bridge for sushi the next day, he builds comfort, connection, and trust over a cumulative seven hour period. At some point early during this phase they will begin kissing. They eventually "bounce" to his apartment. GROUNDING occurs somewhre within these stages.



C2 - Connection
Both parties feel a vibe that "it is on." They are "vibing." Kissing occurs. This phase may last over the course of several dates. During kissing you WILL release the kiss and say "You know what, I'm really attracted to you. We should slow down. Come on let's go rejoin our friends."



C3 - Intamacy
Now at a seduction location, heavy making-out ensues and the couple moves into the bedroom for S1. The C3 location is near the seduction location. ie the living room so you can move to the bedroom.



S1, S2, and S3
Finally, he moves her into his bedroom, begins foreplay, overcomes any last-minute resistance, and has sex with her.



S1 - Foreplay
The couple begins the physical escalation towards sex. If this happens to soon it can cause buyer's remorse.



S2 - LMR
Last-Minute Resistance. This is the point of no return before sex occurs. It's often a freak-out moment for the woman.



S3 - Sex
Sexual intercourse. It is necessary to do this several times in order to begin the sexual relationship.

Ok, lets be honest. MM is a very good startup tool to get you into the Pickup world. And it works fine if that's where you wanna stop. Regardless of what anyone says there is a ton of information within the venusian arts that you will be able to carry with you as a tool throughout your sarging career. That being said, it is EXTREMELY important to be open to new ideas and suggestion. You will ALWAYS have something to learn no matter how much experience you gain. Get your hands on a copy of the venusian arts or something you can use as a base. Explore David Deangelo, Style, puatraining, mehow, thundercat, etc, etc. Read Robert Greene's "the art of seduction" for a better general understanding of the world. And just get out there!!! Learn the game but practice it more. You're gonna make mistakes but you'll only get better in the process. OMG it's late, wtf am I doing. Gotta go!

Open - converse - close.

Keep it simple.

Don't let her get too cocky. Compliments are great as long as it's somewhat unique. Start talking about real life fun events. Invite her to one. Get her number. (By the way, coming over to your place for a few cocktails and getting her pussy thrashed by your jumbo cock is also considered a "fun event")

Repetition is your friend. Just keep doing this and you will naturally drop crap that doesn't work for you and you'll begin repeating things that do. At that point, go back to what all those "schools" teach. Most likely, you'll figure out you've been doing many of those routines all along.

Plethora, I was not trying to make you a scaregoat or bash you, I was simply trying to make you see that you basically told him that MM is not yours, and it in one way or the other sucked. Thats fine, and is your opinion. But, that wasnt the point. The point was, where as its cool to criticize someone for whatever method used, being as he seems new, you should of suggested a few that do work. or, offer advice of your own. Thats all.

I came from the DeAngelo clan, so it's embedded in my psyche now never to compliment.

But what's weird, is that in one of his audios, he gives an opener for newbies that starts off with "Hey, I think you're incredibly gorgeous, and..."

o_O

I just think the "no compliments" rule is helpful in avoiding the friends category, and standing out from other guys (the latter point might not be so applicable these days, as I see less and less men complimenting anymore).

But if you DO compliment... make it about her personality or one of her talents. Never about her appearance, while in attraction phase.