Opinions? P.S I included the URL for each routine if you don't know what it is.

Club Game:
Plan 1 (girl by herself):
Side notes: I won't introduce my name so when she asks what my name is anywhere, I can take that as an IOI.
1. Open with "Is that your real hair color?" neg.
2. Transition with "Are you adventurous? Are you spontaneous? Have you ever been cubed?"
3. Then play The Cube on her 1-vt1509.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
4. Then the Subconscious Game new-subconscious-game-wonderful-routine-vt34026.html
5. Do the Three Smiles Routine http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/ ... C/341.html
6. "You have really nice hands." And don't wait for her to say thanks... instead I'll go straight into the Ring Finger Routine the-ring-finger-routine-vt35062.html
7. Then do a palm readings http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/ ... V/166.html
8. Take her hands and do the Trust Test http://www.seductiontuition.com/tyler-d ... -test.html
9. Then do the Tension Test http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/ ... C/336.html
10. Then do Styles EV Routine http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/ ... n/247.html
11. Kiss close with the Kissing Grade Close http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/ ... e/344.html
12. This seems way hard right here, but if I ever get to this point, I would do the Evolution Phase Shift http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/ ... PC/40.html
13. Whatever happens happens from here... if I get far, I'll do this LMR routine http://www.seductiontuition.com/craig/g ... it-on.html

Or for step 11, I can run the Questions Game on her that would lead to a kiss http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/ ... C/448.html

Plan 2 (Girl hanging with another girl):
1. Open with Cologne Opener to both girls and let them argue which is better etc... http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/ ... en/55.html
2. Then do the Best Friends Test http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/ ... br/51.html
3. I'm not really sure where to go at this point... so I'll ask them "Do you guys believe in ESP?" Then I'll tell them that I need to try it on 1 girl, so I run the Number ESP Routine on my target http://www.seductiontuition.com/mystery/number-esp.html
5. Do the Masterbate in Shower Routine to make them laugh http://www.seductiontuition.com/unknown ... hower.html
4. Then continue from step 2 from Plan 1.

Plan 3 (a group set):
Im not really sure how to work this one out...

College Game
Plan 1:
Side Notes: Im starting class next week, and I go to a community college, so hopefully, the class is a free talkative one where they do a lot of group work. Im not sure how I can game on a girl if the room is always silent and the teacher is talking most of the time... And these might have to be spread apart from class and next class etc...
1. Open with "Is that your real hair color?" neg. Or run the Number ESP routine. http://www.seductiontuition.com/mystery/number-esp.html
2. Play the cube on her.
3. Play the Subconscious Game.
4. Run the Three Smiles Routine.
5. Say she has nice hands and run the Ring Finger Routine.
6. Play the 5 Lies Routine by placing a bet on a drink outside, like a vending machine. Or even better, a bet on a drink like Jamba Juice. Tell her that I'm not a cheap skate that if she looses, she can't cry and then I smile. So after class, she can hang out with my a lil while. Then give a real time constraint that my class starts in a few... here-vp188713.html#188713
7. If at any point from steps 2-6, before class almost ends, or 2 or 3 days in of class, Ill say "Hey wanna exchange numbers? Its always good to get a contact in the class and you seem pretty smart" And then I'll hand her my phone and hopefully she'll hand hers. "Cool I'll be studying with you"
(this could be in class or after)... I'll get her to hang with the 5 Lies Routine.
8. Say she has nice hands and go straight into the Ring Finger Routine before she says anything.
9. Since I'll be holding her hand, Ill run the Trust Test and then the Tension Test to break the ice.
10. Now I don't really know how we can escalate to C3 if its in school... If I run the Questions Game on her, I could get a kiss. But how would you guys handle it?

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Oh and here are some routines I came up with too yesterday, what do you guys think...

Eskimo Kiss Close
I was actually watching the Travel Channel yesterday, and I was watching this show called Bizarre Foods with the host Andrew Zimmern. The episode that was playing was in Alaska and they kiss with their nose by rubbing it. I already knew this, but it kinda refreshed my memory to come up with this.
1. "Do you watch the Travel Channel? I really like to travel and be adventurious. Anyway, I was watching this show... I forgot what it was called... Its with that fat bald guy that eats crazy ass shit..." and laugh and get her to laugh too.
2. If she says "that show Bizarre Foods?" or "Andrew Zimmern", I say "Yeah that one!" Or if she doesn't know, I'll just say, "oh yeah, that's right Bizarre Foods! That show..."
3. "I was watching the show and they had that episode where he goes to Alaska, and they kiss with their nose, its really cute"
4. If she says "duhhh! That's an Eskimo kiss dummy!" then I'll ask her "Well, I never ever tried it. Would you like to try?" And then try it with her and laugh.
5. If she says "How does that go?", then I say "like this" and make her lean towards my face and do the kiss and laugh.
5. Then make out. lol.

Tongue Disappearance Kiss Close
During running through a plan, I'll stay quiet, and if she asks if I have any more tricks I'll take that as an IOI. Then say "I can make my tongue disappear" and go in for the kiss. POW!

Picture Phone Number Close
Once you get to the point of getting her number, say that you have a feature on your phone that when a person calls, a picture of them will appear (which does exist) if you have a cell. If your exchanging numbers, tell her that your gonna take her pic, and tell her to make a dumb and cute face b/c thats how you feel about her and laugh. And take it. She might say that she does that too and will take a pic of you too (an IOI), or she'll say that she never really thought of doing that, so she wants to take a pic of you too!

Stoner Girls Shotgun Kino
Im not promoting any drugs or anything. But most girls around my area, love to toke that Mary J lol. So I came up with this cool trick that you can try to them if you have these kinds of girls around your area just in case. If your in her room, your car, your room, the park, wherever... you can do this trick. Its just to flirt... And make you seem to have more interesting in her eyes than most other stoney AFC's.
1. You both should sit down.
2. "Do you know what a shotgun is?"
3. She most likely say no. When she says no, you explain to her what to do. "Okay, first you take a hit, hold it in, and then blow it into my mouth".
4. She'll do it, and then you say, "No thats not quite how, here let me do it".
5. Take the hit, put your arms back and lean back so your in this position is like \
6. She'll lean in towards you (IOI), if she doesn't, motion your hands toward so she will (forcing IOI).
7. Blow it into her mouth slowly. And peck a kiss and smile.
8. You guys can keep doing it with lil kiss pecks. (if she kisses back, those are IOI's!)
9. If you do that, you can say with confidence "Damn you've been giving me lil kisses, lets just fucking make out!" LOL. And do it.
10. Then you can do all those other lil games like the cube, subconscious game, three smiles (should work b/c she'll be laughing a lot), tension test, and boom! She'll be having a good time with you.

Yep, so what do you guys think of each Plan? I know the stoner one is a lil out there. I'll let the conversations flow and put some regular socializing in there, but put those routines and stuff too. I'm still unclear how to handle groups and kinda rough on how to game on a girl in class, especially if its a quiet class. What do you guys think and how can I improve on some? What works for you? And what do you guys think of those routines I made? Thanks!

Wow, I'm no pua but that is some pretty in depth stuff. Personally I am somewhat a fan of the FTC and your first plan feels like it makes that obsolete but its got some good stuff in there. I would remember to keep reading her, at some point if she's into you, she's into you, you can stop running routines or else it may become overburdening and start to scare her off when really she now justs wants to have more conversation where you can implement more DHV and kino. But otherwise it looks great. And thanks for some of those links, if anything else this will be great for guys just getting started!

kudos,
~GQute

Thanks. What are some good DHV routines?

Well it differs by style I guess. I've heard some claim to use "poetic liscencing" (in other words they make stuff up) when they think of their DHV stories, I prefer to only use the truth. Just think of what makes you unique. Do you like to travel, do you have an incredibly large family, do you play guitar? All of these things make you stand out from other guys. Then make sure you have some follow up for it. Let's say you choose to talk about your traveling, after you're done ask her if she ever travels, ask her what the most exotic place she's gone to has been. If it's something that you are actually passionate about instead of some canned routine, you will find that it will be much easier to keep the conversation rolling and moving in the right direction.

Hope it helps,
~GQute

Hmmm.

You've got in-depth stuff and you've clearly done your homework.

But I see a big flaw in this plan.

You've gone with a wholly-linear style that essentially says after Step 1 you do Step 2.

I think you're going to run into a big problem as soon as a girl stops complying with your routine. What would you do if a girl rolled her eyes and turned away from you? Or if she stops you in the middle of the routine and tells you she's seen it before? What if she's already been cubed?

I'm just saying you're doing a very rigid scheme for how to run the seduction and I think even the slightest bump and you'll be hooped.

Also, I think the massive list of routines you look a little like a dancing monkey. I haven't looked at all the routines but I know most of them and I think to get to the meat of seduction you're going to have to actually talk to her and be interesting. This is where your DHV stories come in. I'd recommend against any sort of lies in these because women have a built-in Bullshit-O-Meter. If you lie, you WILL set it off. This doesn't mean you'll get blown out but it will change the encounter.

That's just my two-cents but it's a common mistake.

Cinnamon

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She has a point. You can't plan life. But on the other hand, luck favors the well prepared.

Now that I've gotten the cliches out of the way, he is my point of view. Don't go into an situation trying to force an outcome. Go with the flow and let the night take you where it may. But many times rather than not, there comes an occasion where these routines fit perfectly. The secrets is to use a routine only when the situation calls for it and to be very flexible with it, don't assume it will happen precisely as planned. But it's much better to have a routine in your back pocket and not use it than to have an awkward silence and nothing interesting to fill it with.

David D has this theory he call the "one default thing theory" that says you should have a bunch of default things to do in various situations that might come up, that way if you get nervous or tongue tied you can fall back on your default thing, rather than thinking up a new one on the spot.

So in conclusion, just be social and try not to use these routines as a crutch but rather as tools.

lol you have done your homework!

even if you do half of that stuff you come accross as a 'dancing monkey' as tyler would say. she'l see you're trying to pick her up and trying to impress her but havn't got the balls to make your intentions clear and you lose.

drop the routines and be natural

hmmmm i thought those were good ways to shift. like the tension test to get kino etc... thought it moved smooth. i just built those plans off the m3 model:

http://www.seductionbase.com/mysterymethod.htm

It is great in theory, but what is being said is that these only work if the target lets them work. If she says "nah, I already know that game" do you know how to recover? She's taken the momentum away from you now. Let's say you try a different test/game directly afterwards and she says she knows that one too, not you're really gonna come off as pretty lame. What everyone is saying is to have these tucked away in your memory but only use when both appropriate and necessary. Because if you just run routines you'll come off as robotic and will ultimately get you nowhere. Once you hit the hook point, you run a few routines to escalate kino but you don't bombard her with routine after routine.

oh okay. yeah so basically calibrating..[/i]

Yoo Great Post Man...

Holy shit. The amount of time you spent writing all that stuff up, thinking about it, and going through it in your head over and over again... just go out. Oh yeah and stop planning everything so much... all this "if she does this, I do that, if she does that, I do this" crap has got to stop. Have a plan and stick to it, but for the love of god have a plan that is both simple and flexible.

Yoo Great Post Man...

You're relying too much on what you expect the girl to say. You cannot predict the actions of someone you do not know so don't try to. Simply learn this stuff, get as good as you can while knowing what you already have crammed into your head and improvise with it. You're thinking wayyyyyyy too much about this stuff and it's gonna end up destroying your game in every way imaginable if you don't o something about it.

Word of advice and I mean this with every fiber of my being: more often than not it is better to act before thinking.

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well i find some of the routines very smooth. like for getting to know a person, i find the cube both useful and fun. and to get to know what she likes to do and for life, ill use styles ev routine as a way to. i find the routines smooth much slicker than the norm. it shows value and someone unique. id say i calibrate, talk here and there with commonalities and so on. it works well.