Well First, I will introduce myself, Im 19, Just found out about PUA, but in the last 3 days I have watched every episode of PUA and PUA 2, listened to the audio book of The Game, and been reading this site almost non-stop. Don't have much experience, I got to college, and go out alot but just can't seem to bring myself to try anything. However, the other night after knowing a bit about this stuff, I went to a party and got 2 #'s. None of them were quality though, and I tried texting one of them and got nothing. Most of it was natural, and cocky funny stuff. I wanna go by the books more in the future though.

So my question was not really about that.

A week ago or so, I was at a party with my friends, a smaller chirtmas party type thing. A friend of a friend was there, and after everyone else left or went to bed we stayed out on the couch, fluff talking, as I had no idea about anything on this site. So she asked me to give her a massage, and I did, a leg massgae up to an upper leg and eventually thigh massage. Under her sweatpants, weird I know. But during this she didnt seem that interested in me, instead she was talking about her life and even a guy who she was hanging out with. Obvisouly, now I know to never ever let her talk to me about that shit again, but I didnt know at the time. Eventually after 1 hour or so, it got late, so she went to be, and I did too.

My question is: Is there any chance with this girl anymore? Or did I put myself in he LJBF zone. I know that story is pathetic but I did not know anything about negging, opening, closing, or anything at that time, and was just happy she was paying attention to me.

Just from this part, I would think you had a pretty good shot here. Obviously a lot of kino - very good kino at that - so my guess would be if you flirted and got a little more intimate (instead of the fluff talking), you probably could have reached atleast first base.

I know I'm not the best in this area, but from what you wrote I think you had something going. I'm a little gunshy at times myself and I can totally understand your nervousness (since I can get the same way), if I got to this point and there are a couple other IOI's, I probably just got for it, for better or for worse.

As for your question...the next time you two are together, try flirting with her a bit and see how she responds. If she flirts back, ask her out - again, you have nothing to lose. Don't feel so badly about it right now...people learn from past experiences. I've learned from all my rejections on what I should do to improve. In your situation, you know the next time you're massaging a girl's upper thigh, you could probably pull off a move.

Good luck man.

Thanks for the help, I messed up, should have gone in.

I do have something to lose though, I see her alot, and will continue to see her alot. Forgot to mention there was alchohol involved as well, both me and her, but not totally smashed.