Hey everyone. My name is Lyrix. I'm male, 26 and from Utah. I just started reading The Game by Neil Strauss and I realized that I'm an AFC. I don't have a lot of experience with women. 2 girlfriends both when I was in high school. One lasted about 6 weeks and one lasted just over a year. I have only ever made out with a girl once, about 3 or 4 years ago and that was just me getting lucky. It did not end in any sort of sexual encounter (just kissing).

But while reading this book I also realized something else. I don't want to be a player or a pick up artist. I'm not doing this for sex. I am in fact a virgin and proud of it. I completely intend to keep my virginity until my wedding night too.

I am doing this because I want to learn what attracts women. I want make sure that when I meet a girl, she wants to get to know me just as much as I want to get to know her.

Any help you can give would be great. Also feel free to ask me anything.

Thanks

My only advice for you is to only try to sarge women whom share your beliefs, but I’m sure you’re already aware of that. Although you don’t necessarily need to have sex to use PU, you do need to know how to be seductive and in touch with your sexuality. If, when you are with a woman, all you can do is worry about going too far, she will pick up on your apprehension. You need to learn to be comfortable with women, to be comfortable being close to them, to be comfortable touching them, even being comfortable desiring them sexually. I’m assuming you probably believe against lusting after a woman in you heart, but there is a big difference between lusting and desiring. Lusting, is more like obsessing and fantasizing, letting it consume your mind. You need to learn how to appreciate and desire the female body, this is key otherwise part of you will be working toward your goal and part of you will be working against it.

Thanks for the advice Kalel. You are definitely right. I don't, however, feel that I have any of those problems. I do feel comfortable. I give hugs and light massage all the time. And trust me there are a LOT of women in my faith that I desire. But I am the "nice guy" who just gets stuck in the "friend zone". I want to learn about the laws of attraction so that these women will actually desire me too.

when you don't even have sex with them? you want to get married with a women that you never touched and wouldn't you suck in bed after you got married? Turn on your high sex drive and get all the girls out there!
Girls love sex...

who says you have to have sex? i dont believe neil strauss book "the game" is gonna hyponotis you lol so just follow the game, or actually David DeAngelo his methods are a little more about natural game and just doing what you do but changing a few key characterstics so yoru not so much of a push over in the real world and to woman.....

so either learn the game, david deangelo, neil strauss or whoever and just leave the sex part of it out...

....approach, conversation to get her attraction for you up, number close and say good-bye

call her up go out on a date and see where it go's no need to have sex if you dont want too

keep in the above is a type of approach that is simplied a bit much but its a general outline thats really all it is approaching talking and getting the number.....so again if you dont feel like having sex then learn the game whatever method you feel best with and take out pieces of what you dont like, for instance if your read a book and a chapter talks abou thaving sex with woman well dont bother to read it if you dont want to considering that chapter is most likely gonna pertain to having sex and how to have sex with woman

questions???

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I just realized something. Technically you have it easier than the rest of us. If your goal is only to k-close and kino, you don’t have to worry about things like LMR or anti-slut defenses. Not to mention that the women you want to date probably never have their defenses up and are very receptive to conversation.

You are right kalel, but only to a certain degree. Because the girls I want to date have the same values and standards as me I can guarantee that I'll get some LMR and ASD while trying to k-close. So I guess I'll have to adapt some techniques to my situation. And I think you'd be surprised at the defense levels that are there. But nothing that a little work and adaptation can't fix.

I can recommend this article to find out your sticking problem with girls:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/5004481/How-t ... with-Girls

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I have a pretty good idea. In high school before my PUA days, I used to be very religious, pretty much the same as you. It wasn't till the religious girl of my dreams went off and slept with some amog jerk at college that I tempered my convictions about pre-marital sex. I remember what it was like to try and date bible thumpers (and I remember how much I used to hate the term bible thumpers). There are a lot of obstacles, but if I had known about being Amog, I think I would have had whole congregations of bible thumpers chasing me. There are not too many religious guys who can pull of a true Amog mentality, and that’s what women are really attracted to, especially religious women. I think that would be the most beneficial thing for you to learn. You really don't need openers or disarming techniques because they will already trust you based upon the context in which they met you. You probably should learn some routines though, to keep them entertained and to set you apart from other guys. Here's a link for some tricks, a lot have to do with beer bottles, but I'm sure you can substitute for coke bottles or something.

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