Hoola.

I think that my new sticking point is LMRs. For instance, what LMR tactique should I've done it this situation?



Here's what happened (extract from my FR)

After a while at my apartment we’re laying on top of each other and making out. She then asks me if I’ve tested myself for aids, herpes etc. I tell her that if one uses a condom none of that will happen. When we’re at my apartment she keeps saying that sex doesn’t happen on the first date. I say the same thing that one should have trust first. After some special massage by me she’s really down for kissing. I kiss her and decides that it’s time for removing her bra. I begin kissing up on her t-shirt before I take it off. I then try to get her horny by licking her pants where her pussy’s at. I also sircle my finger around her pussyspot. However, when I try to remove her pants she says that we’re moving too fast. I say cool and try my first LMR tactic ever. I just begin watching some movie at my computer. However, I’m kinda feeling bad because I feel that I’m using her. Need to remove this thought. She doesn’t initiate touching after a while so I decide to do it again. I turn of the lights, and pull the curtains. In addition, I turn on the music. It’s time for a new try. When I turned off the music she took on her t-shirt again. I do the same thing with kissing her t-shirt and it goes off again. I now begin kissing her bra too and she hints that she wants it off.

I take it off and begin to massage and lick her boobs which she says she loves. After a short while I try to remove her pants again, but with no luck. I then decide to make her so horny that she’ll take it off, and after some minutes I try again. However, she still doesn’t want to do it. The time is about 5PM now and that means that I’ve known her for a little under 3 hours, maybe too little? I then begin to cuddle with her instead and she says that sex should wait till last time. She also says that if a girl sleeps with a guy too fast he’ll just run away. I know that she likes me says she looves my voice and that it’s so warm.

Also, she says that I’m nice and goodlooking, I think she sees me as relationship quality. She asks me how many girls I’ve been with and for how long my longest relationship has been. I run a story about me wanting to fuck this girl because I felt that we didn’t have a connection (sort of make it up). Moreover, I keep telling her that I like her looks and personality. I felt a “special” connection with her.

few things
1) according to mystery it takes between 4-7hours for a GOOD PUA to get f-close.
2) when she asked you if you had been tested, answer the question. she's not going to fuck you if she's not absolutely sure that you dont have aids or other STDs, even if you use a condom.
3) i think the reason why your freeze-out didnt work is because she didnt know you long enough and because she wasnt horny enough. take things a bit slower next time. spend a lot more time kissing her neck, behind her ears, stomach etc... and less time trying lame-ass porno things like "licking her pants where her pussy’s at". the more tension you build, the more she'll want you. so instead, keep kissing her etc, "also sircle my finger around her pussyspot" but then take you hand away and move back to just kissing her. anticipation creates lust.

good luck man.

This is from meeting to f-close. He was talking about 3 hours of foreplay. It should happen in less than 3 hours ideally. 2. Just say sternly "I have no STD's, I am a strong believer in safe sex."
3. I disagree with hxc. You have to get her turned on and just lightly kissing her won't totally do it. Remember to go 2 steps forward, one step back. Break off the make out periodically for a couple seconds to make her want you more. It is important when you do your freeze out to preserve her comfort but make her feel a bit left out at the same time.

This sounds like a tough girl bro. She probably had it stapled in her mind not to have sex on the first date because she liked you too much and didn't want to ruin it (almost all girls think that by having sex early, you lose the guy. Which I suppose has some truth to it.) If I were in your position I would have kept telling her that "I feel like I've known you for a long time" or "it's weird, we have this deep connection that goes beyond our physicality." Make her feel like she's special. The key is to make her feel like she has the choice whether the relationship will proceed, and that you will call her the next morning regardless. If necessary set up a date for the next day if that's what it takes to get her pants off

It sounds like you have a possible clinger on your hands. The bottom line is with the LMR tactics from the game is that by using them, it does kind of make you a douche but that what a pua is, a guy who bangs a bunch of girls. In order to obtain this level of awesomeness you need to show no remouce and close deals. Stick with the Strauss tactics. They work.

Thanks guys

And about that 7 hour rule: It's made because Mystery had a very unrealistic identity. Just as celebrities actually gets massive LMRs too. Having a Mystery/Celebrity lay is very unreal for a girl, therefore, they often need more time. However, my identity is more regular, and it shouldn't necesarily take as much as 7 hours. Although, this depends from girl to girl.


Anymore suggestions fellas?