is there any way to recover from a not-so-great first date. i talked too much and didn't listen enough. made her laugh but didn't feel like there was a connection made.

anyway to pursue now without seeming desperate?

further to the above, is there any right way to say that 'though i didn't do a successful job of showing it on our date last night, i would like to see you again'. even as i ask this i know it seems very DLV but i'm not trying to bang this chick. think i wanna date her.

Set up a low commitment hang out or go to the mall with her or something like that. Then if you succeed you can prolong the date into the evening. Don't mention anything about the previous date or how you thought you got off on the wrong foot. Just make yourself seem much more interesting and establish kino / emotional connection this time around.

i think there are different ways to recover, but it depends on what exactly went wrong on the day 2. if you feel she lost comfort with her, then try to build some more before setting up a day 3. if you feel that she lost attraction, then you are gonna have to start there, build comfort again, and then probably qualify a little before doing day 3. just remember the mystery method. if you screw up and get knocked back, you may have to work you way up the ladder again.

kinda think i'm already in the friend zone. i've read all the books and was ready to do the kino etc, but just didn't feel the vibe to do it. plus it felt like i was performing as opposed to just chilling and hanging out. made her laugh and showed DHV in common interest areas, but it didn't go anywhere. maybe she made up her mind early and was just being polite. i'm sure the skilled pua could've made something out of this, but honestly i have a problem doing that with girls i feel something genuine for. i know the skills we talk about are not meant to trick women but i really wanted to be real with her and have her like me for me. Not some guy who plays push/pull signals and triggers some response so i can bang her. I can play the game with girls i don't give a crap about because i just wanna have a few dates or a one night stand. but this girl was quality. to me a 10, and someone i would be proud to have as a girlfriend. maybe it's oneitis. maybe tomrw some suave guy will come along and game her and sweep her off her feet. i believe in this pua stuff, but can't get my mind around doing it for a girl i want to be with seriously.

in the battlefield of skilled pua soldiers, i would get killed. i can't play games with girls i have feelings for.

any solutions?