So I've been talking to this chick HB 5 on her social status but shes an 8-9 on her looks scale. Again I use the HB to measure her social reputation and stuff. So I'm in college and stuff, living in campus where all the fun is suppose to be. I met this really nerdy chick who studies like 24/7 and pretty much barely has any friends and such. I'm attracted to her because 1 she isn't a hoe, 2 she is a good way to start practicing on / starting the game.

I know in the game were not suppose to just put all eggs in 1 basket, which I'm not, but I finally decided that this chick is top on my list. This chick is really hard to talk to as she's super shy unless you can open her up. I've taken her to many locations such as the cafeteria, walking, lounge, restaurant and such. She is also my classmate and such. We prolly spend 1 or days a week hanging and such. She is a very closed person unless she is with her friends.

So yah my problem is moving out of the friend zone. The only IOI's i'm getting from her is that she waves and smiles everytime we pass by each other, when hanging out she looks at me and smiles at random times and such. Sure it could just be a friendly type of deal but I'll take it because the the only thing I"m getting. Another IOI is that she would suggest for us to hang out in a lounge or when talking I asked her if she wanted to watch a movie and she agreed to watch it in her dorm and stuff. Were at that level of comfort

Another problem is that some days she is hot and some days she is cold. I do not know if she is doing it in purpose but there are times where I try to walk with her and she would go in the bathroom or say she has to go somewhere to not walk with me. There was this one time where I asked her if she wanted to go to a lounge to play piano and to walk there together and she said that she didn't want to walk together and for me to just go there and call her when I'm there. But then a few days later she wanted to go to the same lounge to play the piano / guitar again but she invited me to pick her up at her dorm and walk there together.

The only thing we have in common is music. We play the same instruments, listen to same type of music and we are both serious about school. So given that, how do you take things to the next level? what activities can i do with her in or out of campus that will move on to the next level or bait her to show IOI's and stuff?

I know the type they used to be all I would date when I was first starting with this stuff. First of all what you have in common doesn't matter as much. The best way I've found to gain rapport is not through doing the same things as a girl, but through feeling the same emotions doing something you love. Plus if shes good at something you are not then you can have her teach you how to do it. You learn a skill and she becomes more invested. As far as baiting her to show an ioi that statement shows you are overthinking this. Assume attraction. Assume that shes into unless utterly proven otherwise. The well I think shes attracted some days, but not other days evidence is ridiculous. Shes attracted all days unless she slaps you in the face. Unless the slap is playful in which case she is still attracted!
One thing I've found with nerdier girls is that they need my validation more often. They are generally a bit insecure about not having too many friends and sometimes blame it on their looks or their personality. It can be quite easy to hit a nerve on them. This may be the case in those cold days you mention. The hot days are the ones that you are making her feel good about herself. The other days that she actively seeks you out to hang out are probably the days that she realizes she has few friends, that you are one of the cooler ones, and that if shes going to do something interesting that day itd be fun to call you. Just remember everything she does is cute make sure and give her plenty of genuine iois. This may sound afc to you, but a genuine ioi is when she has made an effort in order to get to know you or to share something about herself. Rewarding her effort encourages her to put forth more effort in getting to know you and therefore will make her want you pretty badly fairly quickly. This will make her feel comfortable enough to open up to you just as she does her friends. Beware though if you do this well enough you will create a stalker. It has happened to me a few times and its not as cool as it sounds, quite annoying actually. Follow these tips and I'm sure you will see some progress with her.

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Nerdy chicks:
haven't been with too much but i reckon two things:
a. don't watch movies with her and do boring stuff... take her on an emotional roller coaster!!! take her ATV riding and scare the shit out of her! take her to bars and parties with fucked up people !
b. If she has little social experience she maybe cold sometimes because she's insecure about herself...

good luck

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anutharound, thats a really helpful post! I take it that she is more in the "attracted" side than in the "not attracted" side. But yeah I'll keep that in mind.

Now basically my other question is the activities that I can do with her. Watching a movie and stuff is boring so waht else can I do? I've never ATV-ed before or anything but yeah what are some common things to do?

And I highly doubt that she will be a stalker because she has something going on with her life and she has a goal

I'm pretty cheap, but that doesn't mean I don't know how to have fun. Cheap fun and romantic things that I like doing are:

Learn improv together: there are some places that offer free classes its extremely fun and will help with your quickwittedness tremendously

Outdoorsy stuff: whatever you are into, ultimate frisbee, walk in the park, feed some ducks(throw the bread in between her legs its hilarious ) google waterfalls near you and you can find some waterfalls to take her to, discuss philosophy, ice cream, walk around downtown

wow I could name off a shitload of these the options are limitless. Find something thats easy for you to setup and sounds fun. Heck I created a slip and slide in walmart with detergent once just for the hell of it. Do all that crap you wanted to do as a little kid when you turned an adult, but still haven't done. Just enjoy yourself man and share that joy with her.

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How would one propose to go to a place like you mentioned? From what I remember, PUA’s make a statement and do not ask “do you want to ____ with me?”. So how would I be able to take her to this place without sounding too needy and such?

bump

one of the greatest things you can use to get a girl to actively seek you is intrigue.

You asked how to get her to want to go to do these things without being needy.
lets take learning improv for example

*girl is laughing*
You: wow, you know why you awesome?
Her: hmm, why?
You: because you laugh even at my ridiculous jokes lol (disqualifier)
Her: well, I don't find them ridiculous I think you a very hilarious guy. (her qualifying you lol, the power of disqualifying its very different than dlving)
You: haha thank you, but I have a secret to my humor
Her: ohh, what's that?
You: well it involves a fun activity that anyone can learn to do
Her: lol ok, what is it?
You: Alright since I like you I'll show you, but there's a catch
Her: a catch?
You: yep you goin to have to wait all the way until tuesday for me to show you what it is
Her: damnit just tell me lol
Her: nope youll love it

(now she will be waiting in anticipation building up the date in her mind way more than you ever could to her)

another method is just relating to her and having something in common. Remember that when you relating with emotions you can have almost anything in common. For example I will use feeding the ducks.

You: what was the funnest thing to do when you were a little kid?
Her: hmm, I always used to like to play with my barbies
You: lol really I totally pictured you as a gi joe sort of girl
Her: haha thats mean do I look manly to you
You: does gi joe look manly to you I mean his arms are made of plastic I think gi joe is very feminine
Her: lol watever barbies way better (I could continue the banter, or if I was lacking time go directly into the close)
You: You know what I liked to do when I was a little kid?
Her: play with gi joes haha?
You: haha wow, you are an amazing guesser I love those manly plastic arms I want mine to be just like him, omg do my arms feel like him? feel them feel them *she kinos*
Her: lol oh yes youd make a perfect gijoe hehe, so what did you like to do?
You: what is it that you liked about playing with barbies so much?
Her: hm idk I think it was just fun and I liked to dress them up and stuff you know girly stuff
You: I know when I used to walk walkin around the park and feeding the ducks. Its like the ducks were always so happy about my generosity I loved it.
Her: wow I used to love doin that
You: oh really alright we should go on tuesday!
her: haha totally

See the emotion we had in common was fun. I used her fun of playing with barbies to relate to my fun of feeding ducks. Its easy to do this with anything just think how an activity makes you feel and describe it. Say she loves flying kites and you love eating skittles. You may hate flying kites, but either way you both have the common emotion of love when you are doing those things. It's easy to find anything in common with a girl when you are doing this.

Now say she says she hates feeding ducks and its the worse thing ever. Then obviously shes a bitch!... just kidding lol.

Her: oh wow you fed the ducks?
you: yea I used to love feeding them
Her: wow my dad used to take me to do that and I hated it.
You: ah, were you taunting the ducks?
her: no lol
you: lol uh huh sure man well when I'm not feeding ducks I love to beat girls at go kart racing are you any good at it?
her: lol no not really
you: haha good I'm goin to totally beat you at it.
her: I just don't like racing go karts
you: hm I guess I'm too extreme for you, what do you like to do then?
her: idk watch movies, hang with friends, eat cake
(ok instead of beating yourself up over being too extreme for this girl you must realize that alot of people may not be on the level that you are. Many people are quite comfortable living mundane lives and have just as much right to do so as you do living an extreme life. If after a few attempts to relate to her and find something fun to do she doesn't respond then you must face reality and realize that either this girl probably isn't compatible with you, or she you should call her only when you want to relax and do more mundane things. In my experience a girl like that is usually very shy and not as fun as others, but they will love you and be kind to you like no other. Its a preference thing. If these are the types of girls you want then go do the mundane things, otherwise keep her around as a friend and go meet some girls you are more compatible with.

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I just wanted to say the advice thats been given you so far is terrible. You're still stuck in the exact same place you were before with this girl I'm sure of it.

Lets get the Facts Straight You want to kiss this girl, see this girl naked, pretty much have her how YOU want to have her right?

Right now you're being way to nice, non-sexual, and way to cautious She's clearly a boring girl and is bringing u down to her same boring level.

This girl is mentally pleading for you to step your game up

Next time your hanging out in private and sitting close look her in the eyes ask her if she's a good kisser then dont give her time to respond move in an say lets find out. She's either going to accept it or get mad.

Be prepared to lose this girl if she rejects you. Take the chance or you'll never know

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Reo. the only problem with your advice is that A3ghost doesnt seem like the kind of guy who would be willing to put everything on the line by a daring kiss. I dont think it would work because he has already developed stages of being in the friend zone with her.

I think the advice of the other guys would have more results due to it involving more teasing and it gives him the chance to build up the rapport with the girl.

Orthodox

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Alright somewhere along the lines this week I started drifting off on my own doing my own stuff such as my sport, schoolwork and such. I haven't talked to her for like 2 days and asked her what she was doing and she said she was free for the night. I took it as a signal that she was giving me an open to ask something so I asked her if she wanted to watch this TV show. She said not tonight.

So I was like, okay this is kinda weird because she said she was free but she didn't watch it tonight. I just agreed and such. So yeah I drifted off for like a few days and in class I did not make eye contact or smile at her for like 2 days because I wanted to act like I was busy and give her her space. I mean she doesn't even try to talk to me and stuff its always me that approaches her and such. Unfortunately she didn't give any effort.

And now she is like almost 100% cold on me. I ask her whats up she says nothing and then the conversation lays cold. Many of you will probably tell me to move on from this girl and I could do that but what would be the right way to get back to talk to this girl or something? What did I do wrong so I will learn from my next one? Is it still possible to be fixed with this girl? What should I do?

It sounds like she gave you a window of opportunity to escalate it with her and you ignored it. Once that window closes its pretty hard to get it back open. Thats why its useful to just assume attraction and act on anything that looks like a chance to escalate. As for gettin this girl back it sounds like itd be a pain in the ass now, then again you never know it could just be her time of the month or something. I would say that if that window opens for you again escalate, but do go around banging around on it or else youll come off as creepy and weird.

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NO!!! Thats called being Gut-less

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This sounds exactly like a situation I am in right now. I blew a kiss opportunity and now this reserved girl with little friends is flaky. I'm gonna take your advice Reo if I can get on a date with her again.