I'm probably friends with some "nice guys". I know of one guy friend who is a "nice guy" so why the fuck do only women have problems with nice guys. I guess I should give that guy call and tell him to start beating the fuck out of women and then he'll get a woman. I'm sure he'd love the advice. Why is it that only women hate nice guys and us men don't mind them.

I think the real reason that "The Game" was written was because these sluts in these clubs are terrified that they are going to end up alone and on the streets. Think about it. Are these books helping us men? Maybe a little but why are they so geared toward the bar scene where all the sluts are. WHy aren't they geared toward picking up women on the streets or at a college campus. The answer is that these sluts that have been with like 50 guys are pissed because they keep getting hit on by the same type of guys. In other words, Bill Gates isn't hitting on them because Bill has moral standards and doesn't like women like that. So these sluts keep getting hit on by the same type of broke dudes who have no future and it scares the women so Neil Strauss wrote a book to help them and help the men a little too. Just fucking think about it. Also, think about why Neil said "there is no such thing as a female bitch." . That's ludicrous. That's like saying that there is no such thing as a male jerk. We all know that's not true. Women can be bitches. I don't know why Neil is trying to say that they can't be.

I don't like starting arguments but imo phorm is misunderstood.

Why is it that only women hate nice guys and us men don't mind them.

Women do like nice guys. On my approaches the only reason I neg is to disarm them, to make them think I'm not hitting on them. I've never been an asshole to a lady or have done something that would lower her self value. I think the "nice guy" preception in the game is the guys that will go up to a women and go "Ohhh ohhh you are soo pretty, let me take you out. Where do you want to go? I don't know I'll take you anywhere!". Yes this is very nice, but it shows that you are needy. They also been showed by dating these nice guys that they can walk all overthem, wheres the fun in that? Marrage is about being with someone that is going to literally rock your world everyday you are with him/her by their spontinaety, and a few other things.

think the real reason that "The Game" was written was because these sluts in these clubs are terrified that they are going to end up alone and on the streets

I'm a pickup artist and I NEVER EVER go to clubs. Which is quite funny. All my approaches are at the mall, bookstore, parks, school. I once thought why is all of mystery methods in his book set in a bar SPAM. My conclusion I came to is because bars/clubs are the easiest places to meet women. Its a social enviorment where people go to be social, there is no wrong in approaching a women because the enviorment is social. My first sarge was in wallmart, i did a dead cold approach and it nearly scared me half to death. If my first approach was in a bar it would have gone a lot better. I don't sleep with sluts, I use the game on intelectual girls who has never had a challenge like me.

"there is no such thing as a female bitch."

Correct me If I'm wrong but this is a miss quote. He said it in a contect to where his AFC friend failed hitting on a lady and called her a bitch. He explained that there is no such thing as a femal bitch, it was what you did that landed the outcome of her rejecting you. Ladys do bitch but I heard David Deangelo say when his women would start bitching he would say "You know I'm not going to listen to your bitching. You can leave my house call your friends and bitch, but I'm not listening. Come back when you can have a normal conversation."

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I like what braklers was saying, and agree with most of it.

I think the reason girls don't go for nice guys is because of the lack of the chase, the lack of spontenaity, and, the nice guy DOES NOT FULFILL HER FUCKING FANTASY!!! Apart from on her wedding day fantasy, would any girl dream of being whisked away by some nice looking nice guy? NO! They want excitement, in the short run, and then you can introduce other qualities as you wish.

YOU have to be the exception to the rule, the one that she has to chase, and the one that she can enact her fantasys on. This is the key to what the 'naturals' do.. they just do it with out having been told to. It's in their personality.
Hope I've helped (if not, this being a bit of a rant, lol, jus pm me, or reply etc. u kno the story)
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I was just listening to David D at work and some guy asked him a queston.

From what I've read in the game, is nice guys don't get laid. How do I stop my conditioning that makes me be a nice guy?

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I will teach you how to be nice, not a nice guy. I think its very possible to be nice to women and get laid.

How I took this is the "nice guy" is a term, just like sarging, HB7 average frustrated chump. "Nice guy" doesn't mean an actually mean a nice guy. Its a term for a thought up man who is very needy and controlling to women.

HI CAN I JOIN? NICE GUYS HAVE TROUBLE WITH WOMEN FOR ONE SIMPLE REASON BECAUS NICE GUYS ARE BORIN WOMEN DONT GET ATTRACTED TO VILENCE THERE ATTRACTED TO EXCITMENT THIS IS MY FIRST POST AND WANNA MAKE FRIEND OUT THERE SO PLEAS GET IN TOUCH DUDES

Nice guy's, AFC's as they are called, have two traits that stick out like tits on a bull, insecurity (low self esteem), and neediness. Women can smell it a mile off.

They need to be validated constantly by people, and feel like they have to please women by buying them gifts, complimenting, calling them all the time.

Phorm i reccomend either David deangelo's ebook, or the one by Marius Panzarella is good too. At the same time sign up for their email letter, some great tips at your fingertips.

It's like all the gurus say, if you are in control of yourself, and your own reality, and don't take anything or anyone too seriously, you have a good recipie for success in any area of your life. Try also Carlos Xuma's email letter for tips on "being an Alpha Male".

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"Nice guy" just refers to those guys who bend over backwards to please a woman, or the ones who won't "fight back" when women give them a shit test.

I'm thought of as a nice guy, but I also know how to live in my own reality without being led around by anyone else. I know how to be slightly sarcastic with a smile on my face when the situation calls for it, and I know when it's time to walk away instead of buying into some woman's b.s. in an effort to "please" her.

Nice guys either have no control, or give up whatever little control they have. Zero challenge = zero value = zero interest.

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Interesting Topic
Here is my take
Ask yourself, what do you understand by "nice", what does it imply? Really, think about it.

Scenario 1
If I hold the door for a girl and saying "Jeez you walk slower than my grandma"
If we are walking, and I rushed to open every door for her.
Both of these are nice, right?
The only difference here, is the fact that When you add that comedy, she KNOWS you do it because it's in you to be gentle, instead when you do it everytime in a rush, it's pretty obvious that you do it to IMPRESS her, which of course, will never ever, work.

If girls go for bad boys, it's not because they think "OH, he is a BADASS, I like him", no no no, BIG NO, they are subconsciously attracted to traits like Leadership, Independence, Humor, Unpredictability, and specially the "I don't need anyone's approval", so if you can practice to take out your most attractive self, you'll realize, these traits are within you, you just have to work them out.

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