You know, I've read a lot about the Venusian arts and so far, it hasn't been that horrible...but why is it that I appear to be the nice guy way too often? More often than not I would say...and I don't get it...

I neg, I tease, I do everything necessary and they end up loving me as a person, but NOT the 'attractive' sort of love. I can run conversations, sets, and really exert a lot of confidence (public speaking is one of my hobbies), but still, something is wrong, I know it.

Is it because I may be just be a happy guy who makes a lot of jokes? Am I smiling too much? Do I have to turn into an asshole most of the time, should I just test that and find out?

Or is it because, in my day-to-day life, I kind of turn off the 'PickUp' game and turn into the nice guy everyone likes? I still appear confident, no one uses me in real life...so I'm not that kind of nice guy...but I'm a guy that people really don't hate. I really don't feel the need to 'neg' people in my daily life that I'm not attracted to, they seem to respect me a lot but maybe being who I am in my daily life is affecting my game...

I Need your opinions, and appreciate all replies. Thanks a lot

Mate I totally know where you are coming from. When I was younger I used to be that guy. I was always LBJF'ed by women.

I still class myself as a noob but so far my track record over the last few months has been fairly good. Last week i had 3 on the go and even though I tried to dump 2 last week due to RL time constraints, the 2 are now DHV to ME!!! Now thats something which never happened before!!!

From your post its difficult to be sure. First thing I'd suggest (and bear in mind I'm no PUA master) is to be honest with your own appearance. Your dress sense, your body etc. Thats easily fixed. If in doubt, ask a couple of women whose opinion you respect and who will give it to you straight.

Biggest thing I've learned is not to wait too long between meeting her and hooking up. Once you enter the LJBF zone its hard to get out of.

One line I've used successfully twice which i learned off a friend was that when a woman says "Lets just be friends", my reply is "No, I have enough friends." Usually they are taken aback and throws them totally off balance. No idea why it works. I can only assume that its an AMOG kinda thing to do. Both times I used it I ended up F-Closing.

reineq - It sounds like even tho you do the negs and what have you, you still have AFC in you. You don't need to become a complete a-hole, but do need to be more alpha like. Having an a-hole side to you, will certainly help you.

you know there are something between nice guy and ahole. No nee to jump from one completely to another

You do not have to be an AssHole... there is a third option that i live by. Don't be a nice guy, be a GOOD MAN... You can still be pleasent and kind, but do not let irls walk over you. Know who you are and what you want and dont let anyone else change your mind. Stand up for yourself. When I Neg its never a direct attack neg its's more like extreme sarcasm abot situations like... "Man your whereing red, shit i hate that color i guess it's not meant to be." then she Negs back usually and it turns into playful banter so your building comfort more then push pull. Remeber the rules "Leave them better then you found them."

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open her no matter who she is, regret is a worst word then failure...

Thanks guys, great advice from everyone
You know what ryukin, you're right...I always thought I dressed well, but I'm not 100% sure. I know I don't dress up like a clown, but it must be something and I can't quite figure it out...