So over the weekend, I was serving my duty as a wingman for a good friend of mine. Luckily for me, the obstacle (girl B) was an HB9. It all started with a game of beer pong. I was teamed with the obstacle ofcourse and he was teamed with his target (girl A).

I started gaming. I made my way to about C1 before the party got busted. I had kino escalated all the way to holding hands so i figured that I had made enough progress to close.

When the four of us got back to the girls's apartment, girl B mentions another spot to drink at and it was at the apartment some guy she knew. As we are waiting for their other roommates to get back. Girl B leaves. I stayed to preserve my value. (she may have been 'talking' to the guy who was having ppl over/I didnt know.) I had doubts about going there with her because if she had really been talking to this guy I wouldve been the 'tool'. right? Even though it would be slick to game someones elses target in their own home, I do have morals.

Anyway, the roommates take forever to comeback. When they finally did, no one wanted to go anywhere and I never saw girl B that night.

I managed to facebook her, only to find out that she has a bf who is in the Marines. I could careless about him. The real issue is that I would like to get her number without blowing her coverage. To be more clear, If I avoid using facebook, it should appear as if I never saw her actual profile, giving me the opportunity to play dumb about the bf. right?

So do I wait until the next time I see her to continue gaming? Or Do I just say 'fuck it' and go at her via facebook to number close?

Maybe i'm over analyzing this. Maybe not. Sorry if this confuses anyone!

My policy is: if you have the balls to steal a girl from a guy who is willing to fight for and defend this country (whether it's for the right cause or not) while you're here, in front of your computer saying you could care less, then you should have the balls to expose yourself and ask for her number on Facebook.

You said you had morals. If I was you I would find an even hotter girl. Hopefully she's single. Most likely some little prick already got to her. But the great thing about a prick is that he isn't a Marine so it's ethically correct and easier to get rid of.

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Kata you made some pretty valid points. However, him being in the Marines doesn't make him exempt from the Game that can and will take place over and over again. We don't know if he's really in Iraq, nor do we know how serious they really are. After all the choice is really up to her. Isn't it? I do respect his Patriotism but as far as this Game goes no one is really safe.

Its a unique situation but I wouldn't expect a guy to back off my chick because I'm fighting for our country. Guys generally don't give a fuck about the bf. That's the cold hearted truth.

Amen Kata...you are right man I think that is right if the are risking there life for us to be free and to live hear we owe it to them to respect them to not game there woman back home..True gaming is a fare game but common sence should tell you that gaming a service man's woman is so wrong..But it is your choice and I know I disagree with it...

People like this make me sick to be associated with some PUA or people that want to be PUA. Just leave well enough alone...

She left you for a while at the party and "took forever to come back", right? That means she has little to no interest in you. She was probably hoping you would move on to another girl or something.

Also I find it ironic that you say YOU HAVE MORALS not to game the host's target, yet you are willing to game someone's girlfriend who is serving his country.

Cold hearted truth or not, I think it is disgraceful to even try to get in with a girl, while her bf is in the military. I know, I know "he might not be in Iraq." The fact is, your mother should have brought you up better than that.

That's just a chicken shit maneuver man.

You can associate yourself with whoever you want. It means nothing to me. I came here for insight, not to be judged on decisions I haven't made yet. I think some people are gettin menopause a little too early...

To make things clear, she never left me while at the party; She kept coming to me. It was her who initiated the hand holding after I had initiated everything else.

I have yet to even continue gaming her and I'm not sure If I will. However, If she avoids bringing him up while still feeding me ioi's, then what does that mean? Am I fucked up? Or is she fucked up? or maybe we both are?

Who draws the line in the community? You? Me? Mystery? Ross Jeffries? someone please tell me because I've seen plenty of posts where others are trying to use technique to get at girls with boyfriends; Posts with people going at people who are married (milfs) etc; Or does the line cross at me, who hasn't but is still contemplating on talking to this chick? If is acceptable to game a girl who has a boyfriend period, (in this community it seems like it is) then it must consistent all the way through.

Now because I DO HAVE MORALS and I take everything said here into consideration. I won't say anything to her until I see her again. When I do, I'll just continue where I left off to get more information about this whole thing and then I'll decide on whether I should go forward or not..I'll even give her IODs for you smarts

Hey Numba you are right there is posts all over this site about gaming a HB with a BF and talking about it could be a ST,but my point is giving the fact the her BF is in the service you should look at this situation differently.Now if she is making moves you can bust her and make her feel like shit for doing that to her BF that is serving his country..Either or gaming a HB with a BF isn't normally a bad thing,we all have done it yes..it is just the whole servicemen thing that turns me off...I am just giving you my personal opinion on the matter..You ultimately are the only one who knows what you will or wont do...I dunno I wish you the best in whatever you decide to do man..Like I said it was just My Opinion..

Jamie V.

If you come for insight, that doesn't mean you're going to get it. You should appreciate the fact that forums like this even exist in the first place and respect the people who answer your questions. Behavior on the forum corresponds directly to behavior with sets and saying that we're getting menopause too early is really not an alpha thing to do.
I need to figure out how to bring up a permanent clipboard in Microsoft Word so all I have to do is click paste and not type this up five times a day: You seem to be having a bad case of one-itis. Get the fuck over her. There are over 2 billion women in this world and 1.5 to 2 million women in your city. Just because she gave you IOIs doesn't mean you have to be with her. Move on to safer, cleaner game.
Your conscience draws the line and if it doesn't, I pity your corrupt soul and fear for the women you prey upon. Go troll on /b/ or something. I'm sure they have plenty of strategies that are ten times more effective than pickup. The difference is that they don't have moral limits like we do.
Okay if I ever read a post about a guy going after married women, I would respond exactly the same way I did with you. I haven't read of such a thing and I doubt you really have.
About boyfriends, I can't believe you're comparing this situation to any other boyfriend story. Usually, BFs are little assholes who think they're the shit. That's why they manage to get the girls: they think they're the shit and that makes them alpha. You're doing a good for society by taking those guys down.
I think you're smart enough to distinguish between when a girl is kinda with a guy who treats her like a dog and when a girl is in a strong relationship with a really nice guy who would do everything in the world for her.
Don't take me wrong. I don't think you're all bad. We're not head-on attacking you. We just want to make the smallest of differences by demonstrating that even pickup is chivalrous.

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