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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:19 pm 
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I've known this girl for a while now and just this summer we've gotten closer. She's opened up to me about some personal stuff, so, I know she's more comfortable with me. But I don't understand these signals:
1) She'll talk about other guys when we're together and mention how they're "totally awesome, really cute, sweetest guy" or whatever, but then she'll look at me sideways, as if she's looking for a reaction from me (we were driving the last the time and I definitely caught the sideways glance).
2) One time she asked me to help her put on some jewelry after telling another guy he "didn't know how". After that she usually asks me to help her with it.
3) A couple of times she's asked me to help her stretch her arms before exercise after telling another guy he "didn't know how to do it right."

I asked her if she wanted to take up a sport together and she said yes, so, I know she's making herself available to me.

I feel like "this is all I've got". Is it anything? What should I do next?


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She's comfortable with you, she trusts you, she drops hints she sees you as a romantic partner.

Your part: BE a romantic partner, touch her arm when making a point, rub her shoulders for a massage when you meet her, give her hugs when she makes you laugh, drop hints you are thinking of her the same way if you cannot come out and say you find her attractive.

Basically, you need to let her know your intentions at some point, which is that you want to be more than just a friend. HOWEVER, do not drastically change how you interact with her, in fact keep doing what you are doing and slowly escalate the "kino" or touching and playful teasing. Basically, show some initiative.

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How long you have known her should determine the speed of the kino escalation. next time you have one of those awkward pauses where she's looking at you sideways or some other similar moment, give her a nudge and a smile, as if you know EXACTLY what she's doing. This will disarm her quite a bit. But after doing that you will have to show her that you are interested, too. So that she doesn't think she is being palmed off.

Does she come over to your house? Pillow fights or playful wrestling are useful for escalating kino. But don't go the grope, that's creepy. If you get to a moment where she's close to you (which can be pretty easy to choreograph) then it's kiss time! But you should instinctively know when. Mystery's advice (which I have always found accurate) is 'If you are asking yourself if you should be kissing, then you should be kissing'.

That will at least set you up as 'in a relationship'.

I think that she is IOIing you hardcore, and I think that just asking her on a date or something would be a bit lame for this particular case. She obviously wants you to touch her, since she wants you to put on her necklace or whatever. I mean it's not like there is a wrong and right way of putting it on. Next time she does that, you could probably slip in a kiss, or a close moment, but I prefer the playful option. As for her IOI's:

1) She is trying to get you jealous, or at least see if you are jealous

2) She wants you to touch her, or at least get close to her, as I said

3) Again she wants you to touch her. Maybe you could do a little dance or something with her next time this happens.

But don't all of a sudden change your character just to escalate kino, she will see right through it. Just adapt the material to who you are. Good luck with her!

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Thanks for your quick replies, as I see her again on Thursday evening. Your insight makes real sense, and some of it I feel like I knew instinctively already, but I just didn't have the confidence or knowledge to say 'this is what's happening'. I was more like 'is this really happening? I also have that issue of not being able to read between the lines. Here's another question:
When she's trying to make me jealous shouldn't the Alpha response be that I ignore it? Or is 'ignoring' something that is done only when Beta males are present?

In any case I'll definitely be looking for some signs tomorrow.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:42 am 
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Ok, here's how it went today. It started off interestig. We were in a group setting, so, I had to take opportunities whenever they came up. I handed her an object and her fingers lingered on mine and I caught the signal and intentionally lingered longer and tried to make eye contact, but she didn't make it back. I made a couple of physical low-key touches to her am and shoulders when I had the opportunity and I was not rebuffed. I felt my confidence boosting. At the end of the evening we had a few minutes alone to socialize and then it happened. She dropped the B-bomb on me!
"I have a new boyfriend. His name is so-and-so. But shhh, don't tell anyone, I don't want anyone to know yet."
I was practically floored! I had not expected this. Especially since the name was not somebody she had ever mentioned before. Here I am thinking I'm making a connection, but now I feel like I'm being played or something.
At this point I feel like I should spill my guts and tell her how I feel about her, but I don't want to do that and look like a dork when she says "Well I already have a boyfriend."
What do you guys think? Should I tell her how I feel? Is she playing me or testing me? Is she too young to know what's going on in her own head (she's 17)? What should I do???


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I'm currently swapping emails, so, any fast advice is greatly appreciated!!


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Ok, here's what happened. I spilled my guts and let her know how I felt about her. She claimed she was devoted to her new bf and said she didn't think of me in that way (which I really think is a load of bs after some of the signals she was giing me). A few days later I was driving her to a group event and she again started talking about her new bf and she kept looking at me sideways like she was waiting for a reaction, and I thought "What in the hell is she doing?" She knows how I feel about her, yet she is looking to me for something or some reaction? Is this girl whacked, or confused, or what??? So, I decided "To hell with it and with her." I'm moving on. I'm cutting all connections with her and she can have her loser bf (I didn't describe him her for obvious reasons, but he emotionally abuses her and --trust me, he has plenty of loser traits).

So, unless you guys (and girls) can come up with something sure-fire for me to try then this relationship with her is history as of yesterday.

Thanks for any help, kudos, or advice.


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bro i would personaly play the same game, still be friends with her, but find a girl on the side, someone that is fun, and let her know it....girls wants what they cant have and she played that with you....so start talkin to another girl and when your drivin this chick, bring up your new target, but i would not give the sideways look, act as you didnt care what she though about the situation, make sure it sounds playful with you and the new target, that should get this chick steamed and realized that she fucked things up with you, i personally like the freeze out and think that a partial freeze work, pay a bit more attention to the other girls in the class, but dont make it obvious like you did with this chick

basically, partial freeze, find a new target to make this chick jealous, play the same game on her but act as if you didnt care what her opinion was, watch and you will be laughin on the inside

good luck man, lookin for a followup


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Clutch,

I really, really thought about doin' jus that! I thought about flirting with another girl in front of her, but I was afraid that would push her away. At the time I thought of it I wasn't ready to take the risk.

So, I have more questions. 1) Are you saying I should try to make her jealous to bring her around to me or is it just to make myself feel better?
2) You said to keep it friendly with her. What about other contact? Emails? Phone-calls? Should I just drop a 'hello, hows it goin?' every once in a while? 3) What about trying to imoress her with my activities that she is not involved in but that she might like to do? Parasailing, scuba-diving, etc.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:25 pm 
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IOI...
like...big time IOI

she is a girl.... by talking about other guys she thnks you will get jealous or something. You can either play her game and do what she does. Make her jealous but give her IOI's or just go for it. Depending on how easy you want to make yourself...


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 8:36 pm 
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Since we are talking signals here what do you think about these:
she says "your mom must be beautiful" (I am average looking joe, so does not make a lot of sense)
she ask my last name and checks how her name would sound with my last name
I am total AFC lol, that could be some ioi but is not that too strong to be it :D
again excuse my AFCness :D


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