ok so i know this girl already a little bit. and i thought about wanting her to put her opinion on my hair for a reason to talk to her. here is what i think i will do (ps: sorry for my english, im french so sentences can be a little weird)

me: hey, i need you're opinion on something.
her: yea, sure
me: well, you always have nice hairs, so i thought you could help me with mine
her: thanks, well how can i help you?

ok so now i'm gonna DHV with a story about my ex and how she wanted my hair to look like. but i need a neg because her value is high after the compliment. what should i do... she is a little short, maybe i could say that like. (for the 3rd phrase) : well you always look like the perfect girl and you seem to have good taste, but you're a little short (playful way of course). well i thought you could help me with mine anyway....

is this okay? i mean, im an apprentice. like, very beginner. but this is the hardest part for me to fully understand (neg)

oh and for a DHV is it ok to only talk that you had a girlfriend or i need more than that ?

hey thanks a lot guys!!!

I would really avoid talking about your ex until the comfort stages. During attraction you mainly want to talk about yourself, your mates and the surroundings you are in, and a little about her. The best way to travel through the attraction stages is to ask a broad question about her that will allow you to expand and have alot more statements available to say. Alot of broad questions are easy to come up with in the situation, it's just the opener. For instance if she is quite helpful, jokingly ask her if she is a hairdresser. If she's not, say she should be, but after a bit of training, because her taste is odd (little neg there, aim for odd or unusual, instead of saying she is downright bad)

It is important to allow her to believe that she is LEADING the conversation, but don't allow her to take control of it... if you get what I mean.

Besides that, you're french. Doesn't this come natural to you? Oh, and if she isn't french, try a little bit of french on her, a bit after the initial attraction.

EDIT: I just got a good idea, if she isn't french, you could say a shitty opener IN french, and then go "oh, sorry I thought you were french, you look french" or something. But make it better than that, that's just an example.

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yeah, i like you're opinion. so for you i should neg about her taste... well sounds tricky for me but i will think about it. and so i wont talk about my ex... but don't i need a dhv of some kind? because i know how to kino and will surely do the palm reading trick. but the time is short and i want to get her number... i dunno, any more advice?

I understand you are trying to show that you have had a GF in the past. Avoid talking about the ex though. Also, your neg was not a neg, it was an insult. A neg should is a backhanded compliment, kinda like your teasing your little sister. If you do not understand negs, than do not use them. You may end up insulting your target instead.

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true, thanks. hum but i do realize that finally i dont need to neg the girl cuz i know that she is not commonly complimented by guys, and she is kinda shy. Then i am more gonna compliment her a bit, make jokes, need her opinion on some things, palm read + kino and then gonna go for # close. how does that sounds? my target is not THAT high in "value" anyway.

its just that before reading PUA stuff i did a lot of errors like talking about me too much, concentrating too much on her when in a group and being less talkative and fleeing eye contact by shyness... i thank you guys a lot for all you're direct and indirect help!!!