I don't know if I can even hang out with my old friends any more. I went out with a couple friends last night and a couple girls that knew one of my friends. I immediately was attracted to one of the girls so I started to game her. We pre-gamed before the bars and I got her into C1. She started qualifying for me and I'd show her IOI's then do takeaways. We went out to a bar with a couple friends. One of my friends who has a girlfriend asked my target if she wanted to dance. She said no and looked a little timid. I waited a minute and put my hand out and said lets go dance. She eagerly followed. I did the little spin trick, I even lifted her up (which got a bouncer pissed). All was going really well. Then we went back to the bar and my friend (who has a girlfriend) asked her if she wanted to go smoke a cigarette. I didn't mind, I figured this would be time to go game some other sets. Him, her and her friend disappeared the rest of the night. I found out later he ended up making out with her, basically stealing this set of girls right out from under me. The rest of the night was a disaster. I ended up getting blown out of set after set after set, spending $45 on drinks I didn't order, and having a girl who's interested in me basically tell me not to call her any more because I went out. I just don't know where to go next. I could open a set, and hold their attention for a minute but it seemed like it'd fade - even if I stacked routines. This is really discouraging to me because it had seemed like I'd made a lot of progress and because I basically got fucked over by a friend. Once again I realize I need new friends.

With other sets I'd use an opinion opener : "my friend has a crush on a co-worker, do you think he should go for it?"

I tried stacking that with a thing about woman's gymnasitcs. Blow out. (no time constraint... oops)

I opened a set and pecked a bit, realized I was making a mistake and stopped. They responded then walked off.

I opened a set near the bar, locked in at the bar and then got blown out by a boyfriend showing up and basically dragging his girlfriend off.

One guy I was there with ordered 5 drinks and handed me one. He walked off and came back. His card had bounced. The bouncer looked at me and said I had to pay. I said I'll pay for the one I'm drinking. He said it didn't work that way. Some girls were standing near by. I turned to my friend and said you owe me and paid for the drinks. I turned to the girls and said what would you think in this situation? They both mumbled something then walked off.

Overall disasterous for me. I feel like a complete AFC all over again. I'm not gonna use that opener any more. I'll stick to scripted ones for a while.

Any advice is appreciated. (should I have gone outside with them?)

-very frustrated chump

You took too long to escalate your friend saw that an took advantage of it its messed up he did what he did, but then he's only human and obviously not that good of a friend stealing your girl.

You asked the question "should i have gone outside with them"
Seems like you already kinda knew your friend was going to try and make his move on the girl when he isolated her from you.
he showed some clear signs of wanting your target earlier by wanting to --dance(or excuse to rub his junk on her).

Yeah u should have went outside and pull him off to the side and let him know your trying to get with the girl he would have had no choice but to back off her then at least in front of you. It was part of his plan for you to Not come outside... Learn some strategy to make the flow of things benefit you. because your "friend" outsmarted you that time

as for how you're talking to women running scripted routines and get all frustrated when they fail. There's no need for frustrations
just take a look at this link
read the article about public speaking

i-have-no-fear-of-approach-vt25782.html

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I was escalating at the time. We came back from dancing and he said lets go have a cigarrette. I figured it'd be cig and they'd be back, besides he had a girlfriend. My strategy was to not be "clingly" and let her come back to me. Obviously it failed. I mean in hindsight I should have seen it coming but it caught me by surprise. I also didn't expect a "friend" to rob me of a set like that. Pretty frickin rediculous. He's kind of been a douche in general lately so that was the final straw. Solution - I won't hang out with him ever again. Thanks for the input tho, I'll definitely - check out the link.

What i meant by not escalating is you never went for the kiss you stayed in comfort too long

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