Hey guys,

So heres the scenario:

I’m dancing at a club (couldn’t really do any dialogued game cos the music was too loud but I decided to roll with it anyways) I’m with my mate and his girlfriend and another mate. Suddenly my mate pushes me into this chick and before I know it she’s grinding on me.

Now this is good… but the problem is (and I know that for some of you guys this is probably going to sound a bit weird but) I’m not really good at dirty dancing –I don’t know what to do. Its driving me nuts cos it happened like three times that night.

Now, I’m pretty good at normal dancing by myself, and people often comment on it. But every time I try dirty dancing I feel awkward. Any tips from you guys would be great especially considering the following:

-how and where to touch her when she’s grinding against me
-escalating (and after how long you should escalate)
-(this one maybe difficult but) isolating the target when shes with a group of friends without getting cock-blocked by them.

-I'm still a virgin and an only child (which maybe where some of the nervousness / awkwardness in kinoing comes in -but I'm trying to get past this).

The other thing was that sometimes they were kind of ‘half-arsed’ (‘scuse the pun) about grinding. It was like they were being a tease in a way -like grinding for a few seconds then dancing away from me then grinding again. I think it was like they wanted me to step up and show them that I had the balls to hold them round the waist and get right in there. But when I tried to do this they kind of backed off. One time the girls were in a group of three and when I tried to escalate they switched places and then the girls friend was grinding against me and I was like wtf just happened there?!? I don’t know if it was some kind of shit test but I decided to go with it and I was grinding against the friend. However, again when I tried to escalate she backed off. After this I was like screw it, and I just went and danced with my mates ignoring the chicks, but they stayed in the same area as me and my friends for ages afterward -IOI?

Also throughout this (although I tried) there wasn’t any eye-contact between me and them at all –which I found weird.


Another thing that happened a few times that was that a few girls actually brushed against me and smiled –they was a definite IOI’s (I asked my mate just to make sure I wasn’t imagining things lol) The problem was when I tried to follow up on it I was shot down.. not sure what I was doing wrong but maybe someone could shed some light on it? Again the music was too loud to talk so I just tried taking her hand and moving her so she was closer to me. But each time the girl just smiled and shook her head to show disinterest or just smiled and turned back to her friends –again wtf?!?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance guys, and sorry about the long post.

You are escalating so fast that the girls will feel uncomfortable.


If they grind on you, you could use some great situtational opener about it: "Do you always grind against guys in the middle of the night?"

I dare you to make up your own situtational opener from that .
You escalate after you count some IOI's (MM method = 3 IOIs and shes ready to kiss). But honestly, I escalate when I can feel the tension.

Isolating, you must befriend with the obstacles to avoid cockblocking.

I'm still a virgin too. But thats because I'm too young to let myself stick my funlollipop inside someone just yet (I'm 15).

But that doesn't bother my game at all, because I won't let it.


You always need to at least open her before escalating !

Edit: Oh and about the dancing, just move a little along with the beat, don't do any hiphop-dancer (or any other expert dancer) bullshit, otherwise you are just a monkey there, entertaining people.

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Interesting ideas Stetson. The problem though was that the music was so loud that it was impossible to even get an opener out. Like it was impossible to hear anything even when the other person was actually yelling in your ear. And because of that I couldn't build up enough comfort / trust / whatever to move her to a quieter location

Usually I like to go indirect and either do a situational opener like you suggested or an opinion opener. I gues though that this was a kind of one of type thing.

I'll take your point about the dancing monkey on board though

thanks mate

If theres no way to speak verbally to a girl, you can't game there.

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Wow a 15 year-old PUA. I can't dance for shit. I'm probably just going to avoid doing it without admitting that I can't, even though that would seem a bit incongruent for me.

In my AFC days before becoming enlightened to the Mystery Method, I had definitely had a few situations where girls tried to dance with me and I was like, "O hai." Back in those days, the best thing I could have done when girls were coming on to me would have been to not talk. I don't have much experience with applying the game since I'm just starting, but I'd think that if a girl just wants to dance with you, trying to open her could be counterproductive.

Nah, I tried opening a girl who I danced with, with Fin's turtle opener.

"If a turtle loses its shell, is it naked or homeless?"

Just throw a funny or direct opener .

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I think it might be productive to come up with openers for this specific situation. Especially for people like me who can't dance. I've had girls try to start dancing with me several times. I should come up with some kind of joke opener about how I can't dance. A strong enough opener could steal the frame and turn her attempt to dance into an easy one-set with a short A2 right off the bat.