I was reading Mystery's book and I really like how he mentioned not to appear so needy and desperate in front of the crowd. One thing most Pickup Guru's recommend is ignoring/appearing unneedy to the target and to mingle amongst the obstacles and befriending them first BEFORE you hit on her.

Here's my question, wouldn't you run the risk of making the obstacles think you're after them? Just imagine a two-set, they always say to go through the friend (ie: obstacle) first before going to your target...but, what if the obstacle and the target believe you're just there to hit on the obstacle?

And assuming that you can get away with that, why couldn't you use the same technique to approach the target first?

You are just being friendly with the obstacles you aren't hitting on them. You aren't asking them AFC questions showing interest like asking where the obstacles work and stuff like that. You are just telling them your stories, laughing, and having fun talking to them. We aren't asking them questions trying to find out about the obstaces.

Even so, let's say for debate that they believe you are hitting on them and they are allowing it. This is actually a good thing because the group is going to like you. Mystery explains when working a set he needs all the women attracted to him but the target more so, hence why we ignore her. This way if we are opening a two set and have to move them together, you have some attraction and compliance from you obstacle. Then when they leave together to go home, they are going to both say such nice things about you.

Why wouldn't you use the same technique on your target first...the girls in that set are use to guys all the time walking up and showing interest in the target. If you walk up and be nice to her like the last 400 guys that did that you are likely to bounce off her bitch shield, and she will know exactly why you are there being nice to her. Approaching indirect and not showing immediate interest in her allows us to slide in under the radar of her protection shield.

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Girls are very sensitive to when guys hit on them and thats also why it is so difficult to not appear needy. If you are in fact not interested in your obstacle she will notice that. The only thing you need to remember is to not have a too high energy level because that might make you look nervous and pushy.

Very well said. As a girl, I can say that is honestly annoys me if a guy is chatting up all my friends except for me. But then when he does say something to me I don't think he is trying to flirt because he hasnt all night. So any thoughts I had about this guy playing me are gone because if he was interested in me, he would have tried a while ago. And as a result, I am more open to talking with him. So the bottom line is this: it will annoy the girl completely, but only because it works so well.

Thanks Bonita for backing me up on this. I appreciate your "Vote" of confidence in what I wrote as well.

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