i have been talking to this one girl alot for the last week over msn messenger after we met at a party. i have been using alot of canned material since i am new to this and need to understand the principles of how its works, but i always feel difficulty in keeping the standard of my conversation up, since the canned material is such high quality, and gets alot of laughs.

my problem is not the material, my problem is that it seems like i am chasing her, and i hate that, i am trying my hardest to build attraction and yet it still seems to be me who is initiating the conversations and seems to be me who is leading the conversation by asking questions and coming up with topics etc, is that good?, or should the conversation be mutual?,

I need some advice on how to hit a Hook Point over msn, i have built enough comfort i'm sure, but i dont want to be left in the friend zone,

i continually strive to show my interest, although am beginning to see how i could fall into the trap of too much pull and not enough push.

Need to hit Hook Point, This girl is incredible and i am determined:P

You got to contribute via MSN, imo. I always starts to teach them something cool about something. Sure, we're sending Mp3's - i tell them how the MP3-format works etc. This makes me look smart etc.

If you have comfort - ask her out. Or, better, invite her to an activity you are already planning to do (or pretend so). You might need new headphones for your iPod, so decide a date to get them. Invite her to come with (in the right context.. not to open a convo with).

She agrees - WIN!
She denies - You go anyway; prove non-needyness; WIN!

You got to do some heavy DHV-ing on MSN.

Finally, always wait 5-25s before replying. Don't make it look like you are only chattign with her. Sometimes I wait for 3min, then tell her something like "Ah, sorry. I just had to talk to X because of Y. She's really worried."

GLHF =)

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This sounds like solid advice man, thanks , i'll give it a go. have forgotten to really dhv, so will need to do more, thanks