ok so i have been ... flirting basically with this girl for like a week, treating it like game, never lean in, dhv, watch for shit test ect... its this girl and her friend. when i started i won over her friend and neg the target everything keeps going smooth, now i know im trying to isolate, and her friend has gone from "oh he is funny" to "watch out for this annoying asshole" despite this i can tell, i am still in, every time my target can she steers the conversation back to me, and asks me questions like what i like in women, before i can awnser her friend chimes in with "who gives a shit, he would fuck anything with tits, or no tits hahahahahah" (no shame as long as it will kill my game) my target forces a half a laugh, other ppl near enough to hear do not laugh, i don't laugh, but she makes up for it by being even more obnoxious.

after one such time i tried to neg the mother bitch ... i mean mother hen "is she allways like this" and instantly my target changed from bored of her friend's blatant cock blocking to saying "well ya, but i love her" i took this as strict loyalty/fear of leaveing the norm of the group

the mother hen has no shame and my target is fairly shy about not going away from the flow of her friends. i just know if i said something like "mind if i talk to kelly for a sec" or "key kelly want to go for a walk" (is that an afc move?) then her friend would half jokeingly cling to her arm and not let her move. or if it were out loud "don't listen to this prick, say here with me cause i'm a total bitch who loves cock blocking and will never attract anything with a dick cause i'm 40 pounds over weight, lazy and have a bad mean spirited impersonality"

well she might not say that last part but you understand my frustration, again, how do i isolate

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Hah my budd actually had this happen to him this summer, so much so that no matter what IOIs the chick was giving him the mother bitch wouldnt leave her alone. Long story short mother hen wanted my d and only my d, so much o that she was willing to leave the nest alone to try and get it; i suggest that you get a good and loyal wingman who is willing to take a .50 calliber for the team. Now all you friend has to do is to get her away from the other chick, preferably in a public scene so that mother hen wonttry to molest him. Good luck and i hope this helped

-Knob

You can do several things:
1. Get a wingman to occupy her
2. Be nice to her friend while ignoring her target a bit
3. Try to isolate your target without really isolating her...turn her (in a subtle way) so that her back is facing the group and you are directly in front so only you can see the group. Out of sight out of mind.

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Not a PUA just a girl offering my opinions/advice

ugg... well i apreateate the suggestions, i don't have a wing ... nor any guy i know with standards that low... and i know a recovering crack head...

the isolating is not for dhv its for kiss close


im going to try a different stragitity... based ... sadly ... on timeing...

i will have a 5 min window, a 15 min window and then a 6ish min window

with those in place i will be avoiding the mother hen and if im lucky (forgive me mystery) i will be able to make it work

i know i have attraction... i will tell you guys how it worked out tomorow

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Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. ~Andre Gide

listen there is a limit to being too smooth sometimes you have to be blunt.if this girl is really annoying you just tell her about herself I MEAN TELL HER OFF.do it calmly and within earshot of everyone else.i mean virtually stop the whole party and call her on her bullshit say "im getting the impression youve got a problem with me whats the problem " or "ive not desrespected you so dont desrespect me" or "if you cant talk to me like an adult dont talk yo me" ect...dont rant but mean it...she needs to be told about herself shes probably just bitter.after you tell her about herself ignore her response....drink,smoke a cig or something,leave the room and come back 5 mins later....anything to draw a line under the situation...just dont get drawn into an arguement.this must be done calmly no facial expression beside a furrowed brow.your being too nice, if you lose your target you lose it but you get social proof as a person that wont stand for abuse,more than just a funny friendly guy your a man!!!!(look up you tube joe rogan vs angry feminist) hope it helps.