Hey Guys,

thanks for help with my questions so far, here's my next one:

A few years ago a friend bought me a copy of SwingCat's Basic Audio Course. I have listened to it many many times. I find that I have pretty good success at getting the girls I want, but I cannot keep them. I can attract a woman, and at this stage establish myself as the prize. However after a few weeks of dating and sex, the dynamics change. I want to be able to establish and maintain a relationship. But i lose control of the metaframe. The basic audio course is all about how to attract women- but when I get beyond this- time and again things go wrong.

Women say to me, "I'm not over my ex" or "I'm not ready for anything or someone else". So by this time I have clearly done something wrong. I feel I am no longer the prize. Should I be still doing the same things I did at the start? In the early stages I enjoy push-pull and trying to make women work to get me ('like a mouse chasing cheese' Swingcat says!)- but I dont feel I want to keep playing these games with women after a few weeks. Should I be doing an attraction coup and trying to re-frame what they are saying? Should I respect what they are telling me and give up? Is this a test- do they want me to call them on their bullshit? I am really stuck with this.

Do you have any advise? Can anyone give me some on the spot advise that I can take away and start using with immediate effect?

appreciate your help so far, and hope you can continue to help me

Someone else brought this up recently too. Basically, it's the fault of your training. You've yet to adopt the personality that you portray into yourself and as a result you're able to discard said personality all too easily. You need to spend more time with your PUA-self until you believe you're that person and it's just how you are.

Once you're able to live accepting your PUA-self, including your flaws, whether they be that you believe you're the prize or something else. You'll find it a lot easier to maintain the relationships you win as said PUA-self.

Imagine an boxing champion having just won the belt and then using that as a catalyst to attract his wife. Now imagine him after a couple more years and that he's just retired. Not only is he likely to be out of shape, he's also likely to have a slightly different personality.

Women have a tendency to buy what they want. It's a rarity that they buy what something will grow into. Have you ever spoken to a woman about buying a pet? she'll most likely say to you off the bat that she'd like a kitten or a puppy. Her head won't even acknowledge that a kitten or a puppy will become a full grown dog or cat or vastly different appearance.

This is actually something that hits us all. It's called the comfort zone and it's the biggest ender of relationships the world over. You become familiar and accepting of your prize, taking it for granted and thinking that i'll be there even if you put in slightly less work. However the second you ease up on said work, even if it means making them work. Things fall apart.

In short, if you want to keep one of the ladies you game in order to win, then you have to continue said persona for as long as you want to keep them.

these are wise words and make a lot of sense. i think i need to keep practising, keep repeating, and learn from the mistakes this time.

i just wonder if there is a slightly different mindset and game plan with regards to this stage. i have read plenty about pick up, but what about the next stage. a few months down the line should u still be attracting other women (to show u are still a prize), should u still be cocky and funny and busting her balls? should u still have in mind the end goal of trying to make her adore you? if so how do you maintain this?