i'm in a math class with a girl. she's about an hb8 or even an hb9. ive only been in the class for a few days now and the problem is that its hard to socialize in class, yet alone a math class.

we have a break during the middle of class, but its hard to talk to her because she's talking to this other guy friend of hers. i'm assuming they chose to take the class together or what not, but i don't know how to approach her with the guy there. i'm usually good if she's isolated, but this isn't the case.

how do i open her during the break if the guys there? or how would i even be able to open her AFTER class when she's leaving because she leaves and walks with that same guy friend.

This is one of the situations where the best approach to infiltrate- and to at least see if she's a viable target- is to approach them together during the break with a totally casual question about class, and direct the question mainly toward the guy, making eye contact with him mostly etc. "Hi, did you guys catch what the homework was for..."

This will prevent them from suspecting your intent, and then you can go with the flow and casually sniff out a bit more info, or at least develop enough rapport so that when you do happen to run into her alone, you can approach with full comfort & confidence.

Good luck

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theyre not bf/gf from what i see because im not seeing any flirting or playfulness with them. but even if they were, then i think if i can isolate her then i can get her. but the approach through the break then hoping to catch her elsewhere seemms weak. i am 95% sure i won see her outside of class because im only going to this school just for this summr.

i also want someone to study wit because the class seems hard and studying with her would be a plus. even if i legitamately want to study with her, how can i approach and open her without it looking like im hitting on her.

theyre not bf/gf from what i see because im not seeing any flirting or playfulness with them. but even if they were, then i think if i can isolate her then i can get her. but the approach through the break then hoping to catch her elsewhere seemms weak. i am 95% sure i won see her outside of class because im only going to this school just for this summr.

i also want someone to study wit because the class seems hard and studying with her would be a plus. even if i legitamately want to study with her, how can i approach and open her without it looking like im hitting on her.

so i did some stalkerish stuff to see how i can approach her. and apparently she meets up with a couple of other guys after class and walks with them to their cars. that'd make it even harder to open her with 2-3 guys walking her.

any advice guys???

I think that SamKing gave you the best advice, ask a totally innocent question during the break. What difference does it matter if the guy is there or not? Take a long, deep breath, think of a question during class to ask on the break even "hey, do you have a copy of the syllabus I can photocopy" and then go photocopy it (ideally with her there).

It seems you are intimidated by the presence of someone who appears to have a more established connection with the girl. I think that is mostly in my head. What concerns me is you said "I did some stalker-ish stuff." Which means you most likely tailed her...dude, that's never cool.

Stop waiting for the right time, because it's probably already come and gone, but there's no time like the present.

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i was look looking up other threads other suggestions were to find a little info on her before approaching her to have somethign to build rapport upon. i didn't tail her, i happen to walk the same way as her after class, but i decided to stay to talk to the teacher before leaving class, leaving me behind her, incidentally tailing her.

but, i do understand that i should approach them and open with the guy. maybe open with "hey you guys," but focused on the guy and talking to the guy. i was planning to do that for a couple to a few days. if anything else and i get to know the guy, then i have him as a study buddy and he could bring her along.

You shouldn't care about the other guys, even though they are in your way. Follow the advices above, ask her and her guy friend a question about the class. I would also try to make little eye contact with her in class followed by a smile. After you've talked to her in class enough and she seems somewhat comfortable with you, you can proceed to the next step. When she walks to her car with the group of guys, join them and ask her if you can talk to her in private (isolate her) and then tell her you're going to X with your friends and she is welcome to join.