Hello, I just found out about this lovely and well informative forum.

My name is Michael. I live in Holland in a small village. When I was 8 I moved there from Poland with my mother. Im 21 now. Finally getting my life where I want it to go.

My game was none, I am trying to change. Got some moderate succes, but no F's.

Yes I have oneitis. But this was over a long period and now Im kinda dealing with it.. And yes shes still in my life. We began as collegues and now are friends. Thing is, shes a really nice girl with brains and quality, and she still seems keen, even after I kinda had to fix most of my mistakes by doing the wrong stuff on her. On msn that is. giving her too much attention. But that changed. And in reallife I wasnt nervous when I saw her, Only she was rly busy last weeks cause of exams n stuff. But when I saw her it just didnt give me the chance to dive into a more intimate conversation. So I do fail at swiftness...

She was on my B-day this weekend, and we didnt have chance to get away I guess. she gave me IOI's and also kinda tested me by being playful with my friends
when she was kinda tipsy. But ok she bought me the thing I told her I wanted. A writing agenda. But a special one, shakespear edition thats decent quality looking. So I waited a whole day to call her bout how I liked it, cause I was not allowed to open it @ bday she said. This rly must have obsessed her... She had to work that day and I texted in the morning that I would check my presents. she called me later on, but now I was @ work so I let her wait till I was done.

When she was leaving my party she kcheek kissed me goodbye, by her own initiative and she was waving and keeping eye contact when the taxi was standing still behore she left. Gave me good hope, I didnt do super well, but some things kinda got in my game. Like a friend who pushed me so collided with her and she was holding some red drink that fkd up her new white pants. I kinda negged her too much too. But she was provocing... Should have said it right away.Imortant thing was I didnt do monkey moves and neither did I force anything. I had some straight up talking time and did some kinos which she took well. My body language was solid and open all the time.

I displayed some high value over time by showing im rly changing my life on an social, artistic and intellectual level.

So ok, she seems keen now. I texted her the Congratulations I thought bout you joke. And now she cut me off.. now. I tested her by contacting her girl friends on Myspace kinda thingie. She reacted very jealous and didnt want me to do this anymore. But ok, now I dont have a reaction and im left in doubt once again. This is what got the best of me. Reason is I need to push myself in the first couple of sets to find more chicks to focus on. But ok, now shall I just lay off and wait for her reaction? I proposed to go do some mini golfin the upcoming wednesday. So like making too much contact till than would kill the interest prolly? My contact with her on msn settled mostly to progressive push and pull. What is expected of me on wednesday? And what should I not do (till than).

Thnxs for the help in advance.

This summer is gonna change my life!!!

Yea ok, the post structure is a bit shabby and too much ineffective info. Im just feeling little confused SPAM... But the question was. If I already shined thru that I like her for couple of times. And I played my game good on my B-day. Can it get to a interesting lvl if I play it cool on wednesday. Or did she already put me in the LJBF zone... Only way is to find out and keep my mind off this, and my mouth!

Hmm, everyone who reads this gives me a big relief I just figured out... Tnxs...

Though it's really hard to do. I think you should let her go and find a few other girls! One-itis is something you DON'T want. You're now living in doubt and hope. Though it's nice to still think about that person, it's not going to help you much. If you really want this girl 100%, there's a lot of post on this forum about getting out of the LJBF zone. It doesn't guarantees you anything. If I were you, I would be getting better at pick-up itself.

Yea, my game needs some more distraction indeed. Im gonna try to get out of the friends zone for sure. Just gonna do some kino's, be funny and switch to some deeper subjects we both can relate to. If I can read her right I will have a go. If its not gonna work out, I will not bother to talk to her again prolly. In the long run, shes not that special. Just have to convince myself of this more.

Yaay, she just cut me off...

The midget golf has rescheduled till next wednesday cause she had an excursion she forgot about. And she accused me of stalking text messeges with the threat if I keep doing this she wont go out.

This hurts the the very fiber of my soul... But ok, its my bloody dumb ass fault to make it go like this. So F her:D Shes not all that FFS! So. its all or nothing... Her and the other girls or none at all! I must fix myself

Well the good thing is she doesnt seem mad about it. And it could be a defence system not to give herself away since there was not that much chemistry. She started to talk to me on msn about why I had a new email adress. Maybe its just in my head but if she was mad/akwardly feeling she would leave me alone for some time. Cause thats what im gonna do, not initiate talk for 1 week till the next meeting. I still want her and its not like I was always steering myself into the friendzone. I have let my pure intentions shine thru with a decent amount of presenting values. So ok, im gonna take it slow and gonna try to gain some phone numbers the upcoming weekend! Oneitis is very degrading cause it lets you fall in a trap op wishful thinking and hoping/ assuming too much. While shes having fun with some other guys u are craving her... Not good imo...

Exactely. She accused you of stalking... How much text messages did you send? But really dude, you should get this girl out of your mind by doing hobbys/going out/sarge or atleast some other things. It's not just this one girl, but you will fall in the same trap with the next girl you really like.

Wishfull thinking, thinking and hoping isn't going to help you in any way. It will fuck your game and confidence up!

Ugh...dude. I know this is hard, but YOU need to cut her off. She likes the idea that you ill always be there for her. You're like her safety net...there will always be someone there to love and hold her and take her back if needed.

YOU NEED TO LET HER GO.

I know that it's hard, but it is a fact of life. I was just listening to a lecture by TD and he was talking about the classic case of a person who gets into the seduction community:

Guy has girlfriend. Girlfriend breaks up. Guys yearns for her to come back into his life. Guy finds seducation community. Guy learns all the tricks of the trade, but ultimately does it because he wants to WIN HER BACK.

He really doesn't give a shit about the negs, and the routines, and the core confidence, and all that shit..he just wants her back.

This is what you have to accept--1) that she was special and unique and you will never find another girl like her. 2) There are thousands of girls out there that are also special and unique in their own amazing way and they are just waiting for you to meet them.

I have had several relationships in my life, and they have all been amazing and heart-wrenching at the same time. But they keep getting better because I become a better person, not because the people change. You need to let things be, because the more you try to fix them, then more you will destroy what you had.

Both you and her have some beautiful memories, the more you act like a little bitch, the more she will view those memories in a bad light.

Sappy quote of the day:

"If you love something, set it free. If it comes back, it was, and always will be yours. If it never returns, it was never yours to begin with."

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Lo' there do I see My Father.
Lo' there do I see the line of My People, back to the beginning.
Lo' they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them.
in the Halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever.

Hmm. Ya you guys are right... By not showing any interest im quite better off if I still would want her anyway. I still see her as a good girl with good morals, but I must realize this wont go anywhere if I keep acting like this. And get my shit together. She knows im trying to change my life and she accepts the progress involved, even if my mistakes are on her. She's a church going folk and is anything but slutty ect. And its not like I degraded my self respect just to get her attention. I just as good ignored her and accused her of stalking me in RLF:P since we seemed to bump into each other by accident now and than.

And the texting part... Maybe I was just being annoying and off timing. I dont text her like every day and so on. That behaviour got more steady to normal like things. But last weekend I just ahm turned into a dumb ass by killing the just built suspense that I built by some open loops on friday and saturday. I texted a bit too much in the content. I just knew she wanted me... But I wanted her too badly en blew the prize frame.

Its maybe just hard sometimes to sound rational at the moment since I still have hope and am sure of my game I can seduce her when we meet again. The prob is it just got 2 me in the wrong moments.

So ok, thanks for the more logical advice part. Im just gonna lay low and see what happens. I dont have to try to hard, cause if she rly likes me and sees me as an addition to her life she will let me know.

ps, thanks for that quote, it rly has brighten my view.