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So last night I'm out at a salsa club. I'm macking on a hottie I met through friends months ago and who happened to wander into the club tonight throwing off massive IOIs. Can't stop sweating after all the dancing, so I leave her for a while and wander out onto the patio to attempt to stop sweating, but no dice, it's just as hot outside. Immediately run into this guy I know leaning on the railing. I sigh and inwardly roll my eyes, but what can I do, I have to talk to him. He's short and not all that great looking (a 5 or so) and gives off this kinda desperate, skeezy vibe. He's not my favorite person 'cause he tried repeatedly (with zero success) to swipe one of my pickups recently, but I talk to him anyway because right now I'd rather sweat outside than inside.

We make small talk for a coupla minutes. I try to hold an actual conversation with him, but he keeps getting ridiculously distracted and actually not hearing questions I'm asking him because he's salivating over every piece of tail in the joint. Each time I have to re-get his attention, he apologizes, grins nastily, shakes his head, and says he's distracted by all the fine women. I nod a little and agree or something. Two girls walk out, a blonde (9) and a brunette (7). They pass us without looking over, walk out to the very end of the patio, and sit down at a table fanning themselves and lighting cigarettes. He won't stop staring. Then he won't stop talking about them. I look to them. I look to him. I look to them. Back to him. I consider. I sigh a little. "Okay," I say, "Here's the thing. I'm already workin on two girls back inside and don't really have any interest here, but if you wanna talk to them I'll go over with you and help wing for a minute, then dip out." He said okay. I glanced back over at them, wondering how I'd open, and suddenly the Cupid Shuffle blared from inside. They leapt up and the brunette began trying to show the blonde, with no luck, how to do the steps. Fate had served them up on a platter. Game on.

I grab my glass and strut over (followed by skeezyguy), bursting with bravado, and cheerfully drop an immediate neg on both of them for their moves. Blondie explains that her friend's trying to teach her the dance. Brunette chirps that she saw me inside and I'm a great dancer ("Yes I am," I replied), and asked me to help show Blondie. I fold skeezyguy in, introducing him and saying that he's much a better dancer than I, and he'd probably show them better. But then he shrugs and says, "I don't know this dance." SIGH. Okay--so I walk them through it. Skeezyguy kinda is a better dancer than me in some ways...but ironically we do the Cupid Shuffle for like five minutes and he's the only one who can't seem to pick it up, so it's like big-time DLV right off the bat, meanwhile I'm running banter with them the whole time because he's not even talking.

Song ends, they sit back down, we lean on a table across from them, 'cause it's the only available seating. He whispered to me during the Shuffle lesson that the brunette was a really good dancer, so after the song I focused on Blondie so he could chat up Brunette. Except he's not saying much at all, and only really talks when I throw the focus over to him. And when I do that, he fumbles. They're barely looking at him; they're both talking to ME. I make my responses to Brunette as spare as possible and continue to focus on the hot blonde. She's wearing a short skirt and conspicuously crosses her leg, a phenomenal display of perfect flesh stretching all the way up her thigh and beyond. She grins at me a little. Okay, so I'm getting into it now. I neg her and then make her laugh, hard.

Brunette doesn't like that I'm ignoring her, and suddenly busts out with a long string of big IOIs one right after the other. "I'm sorry," she breaks in, "I never got your name." She holds out her hand and introduces herself. Her friend follows suit. (I'd specifically never asked their names because I thought Skeeze should and could at LEAST accomplish that much on his own.) I introduce myself, and Brunette shakes my hand very warmly and purrs, "It is a distinct pleasure to meet you." Lord, his target AND the friend are jumping me, and I'm TRYING to help him, and I'm really at a loss now. I turn and gesture to him and say, "I think I might've said already, can't remember, but this is _________." "Right, hi," they say, and shake his hand again. I should add that I also never once touched either of them because I didn't wanna start kino in a set I didn't plan to stay in.

He pipes up and tells Brunette she's a pretty good dancer and asks where she learned. She immediately turns to me and says, "THIS one's a great dancer! Where'd YOU learn?" Still at a loss, I answer her question. Skeeze asks her again. She answers him fully, but it's just an answer, nothing more. I turn to Blondie, an awful dancer for sure, and deadpan with total conviction, "And where'd you learn?" She bursts out laughing and says, "You know damn well I can't dance!" I said, "Well, yeah, but I thought I'd make you feel like part of the group. I try to be polite here and there." She laughed again. Brunette took a slow drag from her cigarette, leaned back, and looked me up and down. "You are too funny," she said very coolly, her lips curling at the ends. "I like you." I smirked and gave a shrug that said, 'Well, that was inevitable.' "I like me too," I said. The chick was gaming me! Blondie was trying to game me too but actually, amazingly enough, seemed a little intimidated and hung back occasionally. They asked lots of questions about me and volunteered lots of information. Then the brunette tilts her head and without the slightest bit of shame, goes, "So where's your girlfriend? ...Do you have one?" I was like aw, FUCK. I shrugged and said, "No...I'm seeing a few girls, but I don't have a girlfriend." She raised an eyebrow. "'Seeing a few girls?' Is that true?" "Yeah..." I said. "I'm a bit of a whore." She cackled and hi-fived me. "Yay for whoring?" I asked. The blonde looked scandalized. I quickly said, "I was calling myself a whore, not her!" and she laughed.

My goal had been to walk over, break the ice with good cheer, pull a "Have you met Ted," fold him into the set, then dip and get back to my inside game, but he'd said like six words to them in ten or fifteen minutes and they were both focusing on me, and because the responsibility for keeping everything in the air had now fallen entirely on me, I couldn't leave or he'd just be standing there like an idiot. I quickly weighed my options and, realizing he was never gonna step up, I broke a rule and switched to the brunette, what the hell. I don't think Blondie's at ALL used to being ignored, and now she was being actively ignored by two guys at the same time, one with major DHV and even one who seemed quietly desperate. Normally I would've stuck with the blonde, but I was more interested in a dance partner at the time.

Brunette and I got a lot of back-and-forth in but suddenly my favorite song came on and I jumped to my feet and said my song was on and I had to run. Brunette leapt up too and said, "OMG, this is MY song!" I said "Come on!" and we both dashed for the door. Somehow another guy (doesn't pick girls up really, just loves to dance) intercepted her along the way, which he's done to me several times and REALLY pissed me off that time. So yeah, the set broke up very suddenly, but I didn't really care. The smart thing, I now realize, would've been to go back for one-on-one with the blonde, since Skeeze faded off someplace else, but I was more concerned with finding a partner for the song and was okay with letting the set go.

Found my original target outside smoking, so she wasn't available to dance at the moment. Eventually grabbed another friend, which was cool since the target came in, saw me getting down, and was very impressed. Unfortunately before I was able to get to her again some other guy came up and locked her for the rest of the night. Oh well, I had her going earlier in the night and I know she wants to see me again. The guy who locked her kissed her hand in this really creepy way when she left lol...gotta remember never to do that.

Tail-end of the night, Blonde and Brunette pass me at the bar. "I thought you left," I said. "We thought YOU left," they say. "You owe me a dance," I tell Brunette. "Deal," she says, and we approach the floor. The DJ announces it's the last song of the night. Before I know it, Skeeze has beelined up to us and grabbed Brunette's hand. "Er," I say, intervening, "we're about to dance." She looks at me, then back to him, and nods. "Oh," he says, and turns with resignation to the blonde, whose face withers. Blondie actually looks at me, stamps her little foot and pouts! "Aww! You know, I'm not THAT bad, you don't have to run from me," she yells at me, tousling her hair a little. Sexy as hell...I coulda torn her apart right there. Again, hindsight, I realize I should've appeared to be very kind and gracious by passing Brunette over to Skeeze (knowing full well I could've gotten her number anyway after the music ended) and macked on Blondie, who was obviously dying for me to touch her. But as I was only half-invested in the whole deal anyway and mostly just wanted to dance at the time, I kept Brunette and left Skeeze, somewhat as a punishment for wasting so much of my time and being a doof, to struggle with Blondie for the last song.

When the lights came up, I number-closed Brunette while Blondie smoldered nearby. Skeeze didn't even make an effort with her, but she didn't seem to like him much anyway. He stood by me smiling way too big while I said good night to them. Brunette hugged me, kissed my cheek, and said again that it was a distinct pleasure. I went to shake Blondie's hand and she went in for a very tight hug and a much wetter kiss and said she hoped to see me again. As soon as they left, Skeeze turned to me with that shit-eating grin, elbowed me, chuckled, and said, "Hahahaha hey, I gotta get that number, man!" He said it as if it were a joke, but I knew he wasn't kidding. Yeah, right. I turned and walked away.

Now, yes, I *did* end up getting something out of this (potentially two somethings--they're basically in town for three weeks and want to have a REALLY good time before they go...I mean, hallelujah much??), but I also lost a LOT of game time with my hot original target, whom I've wanted for months and was finally showing lots of interest, all because I was trying to help this guy who's always trying to pick up chicks but turned out to be a complete buffoon about it.

Is there a way to either A) really help out more, or B) get out of it more easily when you pull an impromptu wing session and realize the other guy is a total fuck-up and you're just wasting time?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:34 pm 
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First off let me say, great post! It is stories like that that will help out many new people to the forums and to PUA in general.

As for your questions, I do not think you could have done any more to help him, unless of course you got her in bed, stripped her off and told him to get on and fuck her instead.

You really knew from early on at the table that the guy was useless, it is just one of those scenarios where at the time it is hard to tell what the best thing to do is, on a positive though, if original target has shown interest then just tell her you saw an old friend and lost track of time, or the guy was crying and you felt obliged to help him out.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:20 pm 
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Bump. I'm sure in my PUA career I'm gonna wind up in this position again. I could definitely use some more perspective.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:04 pm 
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I know how you feel here mate, ive been trying to help wing my mate recently as he hasnt got with half as many girls as he could've recently but every time he goes all shy or simply pussys out and its getting abit anoying :? .

But ive found two ways of dealing with it,
1) Stick with him and tell him he has to talk / give him some advise etc.. and unless he is a total moron he should improve as my mate has (a little)

or
2) Tell him he needs to grow some balls if he ever intends to pick up girls and find yourself a new wing.

Lol i know its probably not a great answer to what your looking for but i hope it has helped a little, as you dont sound too keen on this guy the 2nd option might be for you whereas for me the guy ive been sarging with has been a very good mate since we were like 10 years old lol so i dont wanna ditch him, but recently he has been getting alot better and has had a few Kcloses at partys and shit.
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I think you should ease up on the guy, I mean I tend to have some of his qualaties when i get around Girls. Usually I am a normal non skeevy guy, the grin may be an attempt to mask his insecuritie. Again Bros B4 Hoes. Just give him some pointers, but yea don't jump into the boat if you don't want to because I bet you made him pretty jealous and sad. He probably went home alone and whacked off or something.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:16 am 
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hey. I have little exp as well. But what the others said is true. He is a AFC pretty simple. What he did has AFC wrltten all over especially when he grabbed her as you two was aboult to dance. Lol it kinda sounds like you threw him into the "lines" and he responded naturally.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:38 am 
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Seems to me that this guy had AFC written in his forehead. I've been that guy in this scenario and it might suck a bit. But...

a) My best friend F-closed the girl i tried to seduce. I never blamed him because I knew my game was terrible (a few years back) and I had the chance but i knew i would never go for it

b) better that 1 guy wins than 2 guys losses, right?


About your first dancingpartner at the start of the story. If you meet her again, tell her parts of the story. Done right it will only display you as "leader of men"(Mystery method) for helping this AFC out and "Preselected by women" Due to getting both girls intressed in you when you tried to promote the AFC.

Best of wishes and grats on the awesome story!!


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Seems to me that this guy had AFC written in his forehead.
He clearly did. It was so strange. I see him there ALL THE TIME talking to and dancing with girls, and I've never really actually been up close and seen him run game, I just see him dancing and interacting with them from across the club, but given that I know he's ALWAYS on the prowl, I assumed he had some skill and was always succeeding, more or less. The only time I'd witnessed him try to pick a girl up was when he tried repeatedly to lift a 10 of mine recently, but she was very much with me and wasn't having it. And actually come to think of it he was REALLY AFC and unsmooth with his attempts. I didn't even really think about it. I should point out to the previous posters that this is not a regular wing partner of mine or anything, this was a one-time spur-of-the-moment favor for a guy I just kinda know from around. I would *never* have dreamed of offering to wing for him out of the blue if I'd known he had no game at all. That was a bad move. I was really just trying to do something nice, because I knew if he wanted to dance with one of them, he wouldn't be able to open the set by himself and take her out of it.
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About your first dancingpartner at the start of the story. If you meet her again, tell her parts of the story. Done right it will only display you as "leader of men"(Mystery method) for helping this AFC out and "Preselected by women" Due to getting both girls intressed in you when you tried to promote the AFC.
The original dance partner and I talked for a good while on Facebook this afternoon, and we're totally meeting tomorrow for a "private dance lesson." 8)


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