I fucked up in a recent situation, just returned to the game lately, and didn't have my game mode ON so pretty much for the whole time (2 weeks, 2 dates) I was seeing this girl I was doing the nice guy thing unconsciously and got LJBF'ed when I didn't even tell her that I liked her (lmao). She also told me that she has a BF now, which I responded with an "oh, but I thought you said you didn't" (which I think is a shit test that I failed), So I've been thinking of a way to get the ball back in my court again.

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Cut it down - make it short, sweet and to the point. If you tell her you have deleted her number you have to remember that she is not attracted to you anymore.

If a 10 suddenly got fat and told you she deleted your number you probably wouldn't give a shit because you weren't sexually attracted to her anymore. The "I made a mistake" won't win her back either - at the most it may appeal to her sense of pity.

Remember she has guys who will line up to do anything for her - Be different. You live your life for you and you don't have time to waste if your not enjoying yourself. Also as for your letter - don't use words like "you see", "just", "and all", "sort of". It sounds like you are really (in an AFC way) trying to appeal to her and offer her every oppertunity to chose you.

And the sentence "I really don't believe it's wrong to be dating other people when you're not in love." actually will likely scream to a woman's mind that you are bullshitting and you are in love with her.

Read that whole statement (pasted below) you wanted to say to her back to yourself and imagine you were a gorgeous girl who deals with AFCs all day and can have any man she wants hearing this from a guy - It sounds more like a plea or an appeal than anything else.

Would you see that statement as alpha, confident, self-assured, and in control? Think of how James Bond would handle a situation - would he say that?

"You see, my time is precious to me and I just don't see a point in trying to get to know someone who doesn't reciprocate the same level of interest... I know you said you had a boyfriend and all, but I'm sort of seeing other people too and I really don't believe it's wrong to be dating other people when you're not in love. I think it's important to find out what kind of people exist out there, so you know if you're really with the right one-- so you're not cheating yourself. If you ever feel like you'd like to get to know the real me, then don't hesitate to give me your number again. cya."

- Chris

well I do want to delete her number, and make it clear to her that I don't believe it's wrong to date other people if you're not in love, and that's what I really believe.

And as for telling her that, she'd see me as the player type I'm hoping, but I wouldn't mind, because it would also show that I'm actually looking to find a meaningful relationship, that I just haven't found it yet.

I'll try editing out the unnecessary parts but I'm still really confused on how to deliever this message. I really want to say all those things to her. But you are right.. i don't know.. crap.. fuck.. this pisses me off.

BTW, it's not a letter so she won't have all the time in the world to read into what I'm saying, I'm gonna tell her in person.

Okay let me revise it above and tell me what you think again. Thank you very much.

If a girl thinks you're a 'player' then she probobly doesn't think that you're looking for a meaningful relationship.

----with that aside-----

if a girl says something like that to you (LJBF), and you don't handle it right then, then coming back to it later and bringing it up seems, almost like you're being try-hard (even if you're saying what you wrote above)

if you're time is really precious to you, why would you spend the time talking to her and telling her all of this. if she isn't interested and you're "not interested " then there's no reason to engage in this sort of talk anyway



I'm not quite sure I understand your situation. Sounds to me like you should get together with her and start in A2 working your way up again. if she gives you LJBF again, say someting like 'i have enough friends thank you" or something

Don't take what I say the wrong way I believe in telling things very directly and straight up. I'm actually a lot more caring than I sound.

Proper delivery of a good message in your situation is a tough nut to crack but you need to realize women don't need all the time in the world to read into what your actions - they are world class at it. The problem is that putting that into words often conveys that you are trying to prove something to her and that you feel compelled to make a point to her. In the game of attraction actions speak louder thtan words.

Your goal around her should be to display as much social value as possible by being an alpha male who is in control of his own life, makes no apologies for who he is or his desires as a man. She has plenty of men willing to do anything for her. She knows she's attractive and she knows what hand of God power she has over guys - be different.

- Chris

yea, I know, I'm an extremely straight up kind of guy too, and sometimes I expect the same, but women read too much into what we're saying even when we're not saying anything.
I was ready to call this a lost cause, but as an experiment I want to see if it's possible to go back to square one with her.

I mean, how do I DHV if she keeps making excuses to not see me? I'm not good at talking on the phone either because for me it's hard talking to someone who isn't in front of me. I don't emote well, and my voice becomes monotone sometimes.

Another thing is, if she doesn't care, why would she want to be friends with me? I already asked her when she LJBF'ed me if she really wanted to, and that she didn't have to be my friend out of guilt or pity. But she still wanted to. So what would she feel if I decide to break off the connection with her now? I can never understand this part of all the times in my life I've been LJBF'ed, like.. why do they LJBF me and everything becomes different like we're strangers again?

And not to sound like a narcissist or anything, but I think I'm more attractive than she is, like I probably get more IOI's than her... she is gorgeous, though she kind of has a bad fashion sense. I don't know how she views herself, but she is kind-of shy, kind of like a diamond in the rough... So she's not an HB10, or someone you would neg too much.

bump, can someone please check my revision to see if this message is presentable now? in the first post. Thank you.

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"I use to believe when a girl said she love me, but now I take off, don't look back and keep runnin. A hundred MPH Im hidin my smile but now I find time just for writin it down" -Equipto

"Life's not a bitch, Life is a beautiful woman" -Aesop Rock

Fuck the bullshit...right? time is precious right?

I have never once had to tell a girl to get lost, because of course i value friendships, of course fuck friends are the greatest friendships of all.

Tease her, treat her like the little sister you never had. Make fun of her fashion sense. use her as a pivot or social proof. Make her realize what she missed out on.

be adventurous and explain how it would never work out because shes a bit boring. Tell her you will hang out with her on occasion under one condition. She cant fall in love with you. Play hard to get.

But what you dont want to do is get her out of your life completely if she wants to stay. If you do get locked in the friend zone, use that to your advantage in the field. there is a positive in every situation.

~ Mystic

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"The greatest mistake you can make in life is to be continually fearing you will make one."

I know, I don't want to completely push her away. I was going to use this friendship to my advantage as you said.
I never did have a little sister anyway. It's not like I want her at this moment. I just want her to open up to me because I know she has a story to tell.
So do you think its okay to give her that message which I have in my first post then?

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"I use to believe when a girl said she love me, but now I take off, don't look back and keep runnin. A hundred MPH Im hidin my smile but now I find time just for writin it down" -Equipto

"Life's not a bitch, Life is a beautiful woman" -Aesop Rock

what "I" would say going this route: (remember every time you say something to kino, like shes a little sister)

Your getting pretty friendly..you sure your ready for that? (make her validate)

HB: (blah blah blah)

Ya know! this isn't working for me... im not sure we could be friends." (
(cocky/funny )

-HB's response: "what? why?"

"Your just too nice! your going to end up falling in love with me! ( cocky/funny )

HB: (blah blah blah)

(be serious and look directly into her eyes here personally i would hold her by the arms here)
Have you ever heard the saying, 'it's not what you know, but who you know? It means that we learn and experience a lot through our interactions with others-- and those people mean everything to me.
I feel that it's important to find out as much as possible about the different kinds of people that exist out there, so that I learn more about the reality I'm living in and what I want in life-- I don't want to end up cheating myself"

HB: (blah blah blah)

Ya know i never notice (notice something about her) ie: your eyes have a rare quality to them...its def unique, thats kinda cool! (show your still intrested in finding new things out about her)


Now is the time to DHV her...you have her intrest so ask her a unique question.

If you had to write a book about your life, what would the title be?

HB: (blah blah blah) neg her on the comment

and start the game all over again from this point. be cocky/funny with your comments and statements...build attraction and have fun.

thats how i would do it, cant say it will work for your frame.

~ Mystic

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It would, and that is a very good suggestion because I always make it seem like I'm being needy or complaining when I'm spilling my emotions. and that usually makes the mood turn sour. I always forget to keep it playful.
OMG.. what I described is my most major problem and I always seem to forget it.. being too serious. I would have made her feel bad if I told her what I intended to. But i'll go with Mystic's suggestion definitely.

The only time I have to talk to her now is after night class, at 8:00 pm, and she goes directly home for dinner. I tried asking her out to eat once but she said she's been eating out too often. Problem I have is that I can't get her to see me at a public location. She doesn't seem interested in hanging out anymore.
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No wait, I probably only need like 5 minutes to try this.. I'm gonna do it. Thank you mystic. =]

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"I use to believe when a girl said she love me, but now I take off, don't look back and keep runnin. A hundred MPH Im hidin my smile but now I find time just for writin it down" -Equipto

"Life's not a bitch, Life is a beautiful woman" -Aesop Rock

lmao.. apparently this situation is FUBAR !!!
I was like, can we just keep it real. She started telling me all these things I said that annoyed her, (the negs).
So I found out that this girl doesn't respond well to teasing and cocky/funny. I don't know.. I really fucked this one up, it's beyond my skill level to game a girl with Low Self Esteem who already has a boyfriend.

Does anyone have any ideas? I'm trying to just make it clear to her that I want to be a real friend to her, but she's getting the idea that I'm coming on to her. She even admitted to avoiding me. And no, I don't have oneitis, at this point I'm kinda turned off by her. I'm just trying to see if I can make a friend and recover the situation.

But she promised to finish the conversation with me, so I'm gonna run the cube on her next time we meet and see what I can find out.

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"I use to believe when a girl said she love me, but now I take off, don't look back and keep runnin. A hundred MPH Im hidin my smile but now I find time just for writin it down" -Equipto

"Life's not a bitch, Life is a beautiful woman" -Aesop Rock

Bail bro! simply let it go, you say you dont have oneitis but you want to run the cube? sounds funny imo!

leave her be for a while, move on and sarge others...make a name for yourself with a social circle. Let her see how much fun she missed out on and she MIGHT change her mind.

Seems to me you might have become a bit AFC'ish and she picked up on the needy part because you came off as try hard. Just back off do your thing and move on, talk to her on occasion but be friendly.

its all you really can do now.

~ Mystic

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"The greatest mistake you can make in life is to be continually fearing you will make one."